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Old 06-17-2013, 08:43 PM   #1
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A fascinating commentary on the Bible. What's most interesting is how commentaries on the "Holy Scripture" gradually became incorporated into the official text.
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Was there supposed to be a link in the OP?


Google only gives this as a comment: "According to Dr. Bart Ehrman there are over 5700 versions of the bible all different in key points and arguments about Jesus and divinity."

I can't find where Ehrman said this. This seems to be a more accurate statement:

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Currently, scholars are aware of over 5,700 manuscripts that contain some portion of the New Testament, and the total is growing slowly as additional manuscripts are discovered. Among these manuscripts, a couple thousand contain all or portions of the biblical gospels.
Christians like to come back and claim that these manuscripts show 99.5% agreement.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0zWbL8Uqfw

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Oh - a 90 minute lecture by Bart Ehrman at Stanford on "How the bible got changed. Misquoting Jesus Speech at Stanford "



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A speech by Bart Ehrman at Stanford about the story behind who changed the bible and why and the history of the bible and how they got tainted. He is a former Christian bible scholar who studied the bible and found the mistakes and became an atheist. He also has another book called Jesus Interrupted.

This speech is a must see for christians who ask questions like:
Who wrote the gospels?
Is the bible the word of God?
Are there contradictions?
Does the bible contain errors?
Is there evidence or proof?
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Oh - a 90 minute lecture by Bart Ehrman at Stanford on "How the bible got changed. Misquoting Jesus Speech at Stanford "
Those titles make me cringe.

In everything Ehrman writes/believes, he imagines that a perfect, autograph copy existed for every NT book, but these became "corrupted" over time. So that's why we should question Christianity -- if only we had the uncorrupted manuscripts, then we would have no reason to doubt that a pneumatic God was born via parthenogenesis to save mankind. Because we would have a manuscript that says, hey, I was there, dude!

Sad.
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Oh - a 90 minute lecture by Bart Ehrman at Stanford on "How the bible got changed. Misquoting Jesus Speech at Stanford "
Those titles make me cringe.

In everything Ehrman writes/believes, he imagines that a perfect, autograph copy existed for every NT book, but these became "corrupted" over time. So that's why we should question Christianity -- if only we had the uncorrupted manuscripts, then we would have no reason to doubt that a pneumatic God was born via parthenogenesis to save mankind. Because we would have a manuscript that says, hey, I was there, dude!

Sad.
The few Xtians I've encountered who wanted to discuss the bible insisted it was the word of god. When I pointed out some of what Ehrman speaks of, they insisted that their bible was the correct one.

The RCC's bible, incidentally, states in the frontispiece that it has the Church's imprimatur and nihil obstat.

The implication is clear. THAT is indeed the word of god.

Now, that's "sad".
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Was there supposed to be a link in the OP?


Google only gives this as a comment: "According to Dr. Bart Ehrman there are over 5700 versions of the bible all different in key points and arguments about Jesus and divinity."

I can't find where Ehrman said this. This seems to be a more accurate statement:

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Currently, scholars are aware of over 5,700 manuscripts that contain some portion of the New Testament, and the total is growing slowly as additional manuscripts are discovered. Among these manuscripts, a couple thousand contain all or portions of the biblical gospels.
Christians like to come back and claim that these manuscripts show 99.5% agreement.
Most of these 5,700 manuscripts were lectionaries, selections from various books of the NT and most were late,4th and 5th century, Early Bibles and NTs were far less numerous and no two alike.

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Those titles make me cringe.

In everything Ehrman writes/believes, he imagines that a perfect, autograph copy existed for every NT book, but these became "corrupted" over time. So that's why we should question Christianity -- if only we had the uncorrupted manuscripts, then we would have no reason to doubt that a pneumatic God was born via parthenogenesis to save mankind. Because we would have a manuscript that says, hey, I was there, dude!

Sad.
The few Xtians I've encountered who wanted to discuss the bible insisted it was the word of god. When I pointed out some of what Ehrman speaks of, they insisted that their bible was the correct one.

The RCC's bible, incidentally, states in the frontispiece that it has the Church's imprimatur and nihil obstat.

The implication is clear. THAT is indeed the word of god.

Now, that's "sad".
After failing to stamp out the protestant revolution, the RCC finally joined the translation of the Bible for the masses game, and had a terrible time of getting a good translation.
the RCC struggled with this for two frustrating centuries. These people obviously are not familiar with any of this.

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Christians like to come back and claim that these manuscripts show 99.5% agreement.
Unfortunately for the Xtians (and for for their god who happens to be 100% perfect), anything less than that 100% is not allowed.

Remember THE BIBLE is the inspired word of god. There are absolutely NO errors in it.
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