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rstrats · 07-15-2013, 12:46 PM

Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that a phrase stating a specific number of days and/or a specific number of nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely couldn't have included at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights?

Sabine Grant · 07-15-2013, 07:24 PM

Topic better suited for HAR. Moved from GRD.

Toto · 07-16-2013, 12:30 AM

See this article on the secular web:

The Missing Night of Matthew 12:40

The author rejects the usual proofs that the Jews might have counted a part of a day as a day.

Duvduv · 07-16-2013, 02:41 AM

It is worth noting that the seven days of mourning for a deceased person are not seven full days. Mourning starts after the burial and considers that as one day, and ends by noon on the last day. The Sabbath is included in the seven although there is no mourning on the sabbath. So the seven are actually only four plus one half plus another half or less.

rstrats · 07-16-2013, 03:14 AM

Duvduv,

re: "It is worth noting that the seven days of mourning for a deceased person are not seven full days."

Not sure how that is applicable to the OP. I wonder if you might explain?

rstrats · 07-16-2013, 03:34 AM

Toto,

re: "See this article on the secular web - The Missing Night of Matthew 12:40 - The author rejects the usual proofs that the Jews might have counted a part of a day as a day."

Actually, that is not quite the case because lee writes: "Few dispute the fact that the Jews sometimes reckoned part of a civil day as a whole day for counting purposes--"

rstrats · 07-16-2013, 03:35 AM

I probably should have addressed the OP to those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.

Duvduv · 07-16-2013, 04:17 AM

There is a Jewish practice of considering a partial day as a whole day. Of course there are many cases of partial
years being considered as whole years too.

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Originally Posted by rstrats

Duvduv,

re: "It is worth noting that the seven days of mourning for a deceased person are not seven full days."

How is that applicable to the OP?

rstrats · 07-16-2013, 08:26 AM

Duvduv,

re: "There is a Jewish practice of considering a partial day as a whole day."

But the OP is not asking about calendar days. It's asking about a specified number or light periods (day times) and/or a specified number of dark periods (night times).

Duvduv · 07-16-2013, 08:42 AM

I had always assumed a day was a day, a 24 hour period.

07-15-2013, 12:46 PM	#1
rstrats Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 60	Matthew 12:40 Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that a phrase stating a specific number of days and/or a specific number of nights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely couldn't have included at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights?

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07-15-2013, 07:24 PM	#2
Sabine Grant Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 32,364	Topic better suited for HAR. Moved from GRD.

07-16-2013, 12:30 AM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	See this article on the secular web: The Missing Night of Matthew 12:40 The author rejects the usual proofs that the Jews might have counted a part of a day as a day.

07-16-2013, 02:41 AM	#4
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	It is worth noting that the seven days of mourning for a deceased person are not seven full days. Mourning starts after the burial and considers that as one day, and ends by noon on the last day. The Sabbath is included in the seven although there is no mourning on the sabbath. So the seven are actually only four plus one half plus another half or less.

07-16-2013, 03:14 AM	#5
rstrats Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 60	Duvduv, re: "It is worth noting that the seven days of mourning for a deceased person are not seven full days." Not sure how that is applicable to the OP. I wonder if you might explain?

07-16-2013, 03:34 AM	#6
rstrats Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 60	Toto, re: "See this article on the secular web - The Missing Night of Matthew 12:40 - The author rejects the usual proofs that the Jews might have counted a part of a day as a day." Actually, that is not quite the case because lee writes: "Few dispute the fact that the Jews sometimes reckoned part of a civil day as a whole day for counting purposes--"

07-16-2013, 03:35 AM	#7
rstrats Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 60	I probably should have addressed the OP to those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.

07-16-2013, 08:26 AM	#9
rstrats Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 60	Duvduv, re: "There is a Jewish practice of considering a partial day as a whole day." But the OP is not asking about calendar days. It's asking about a specified number or light periods (day times) and/or a specified number of dark periods (night times).

07-16-2013, 08:42 AM	#10
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	I had always assumed a day was a day, a 24 hour period.

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