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stephan huller · 08-05-2013, 06:15 AM

Philaster's work against the heresies Diuersarum haeresion liber .

Roger Pearse · 08-06-2013, 04:20 AM

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I would personally like to see translated into English Proclus' Commentary on Plato's Republic. French etc modern translations exist and Thomas Taylor translated excerpts but I don't think there has ever been a full English translation.

I don't know how large a work that is. Sounds like something that might require some specialist knowledge of philosophy in the translator?

(I've just had a translator struggle with 5th century christology, and it wasn't a happy experience for either of us).

Roger Pearse · 08-06-2013, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

Philaster's work against the heresies Diuersarum haeresion liber .

Might be interesting... any idea where the text might be found?

andrewcriddle · 08-06-2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

I would personally like to see translated into English Proclus' Commentary on Plato's Republic. French etc modern translations exist and Thomas Taylor translated excerpts but I don't think there has ever been a full English translation.

I don't know how large a work that is. Sounds like something that might require some specialist knowledge of philosophy in the translator?

(I've just had a translator struggle with 5th century christology, and it wasn't a happy experience for either of us).

Yes it is a large work (3 volumes in the French translation) and yes it would require a background knowledge of Neoplatonism.

Andrew Criddle

Horatio Parker · 08-06-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

I don't know how large a work that is. Sounds like something that might require some specialist knowledge of philosophy in the translator?

(I've just had a translator struggle with 5th century christology, and it wasn't a happy experience for either of us).

Yes it is a large work (3 volumes in the French translation) and yes it would require a background knowledge of Neoplatonism.

Andrew Criddle

Pierre Grimes, whose lectures I've linked to once or twice in the past, called Proclus the most systematic western thinker.

I dunno, but it would be good to find out. I remember going to Perseus, searching for Proclus and wondering why is this only in Greek?

andrewcriddle · 08-07-2013, 11:27 AM

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Pierre Grimes, whose lectures I've linked to once or twice in the past, called Proclus the most systematic western thinker.

I dunno, but it would be good to find out. I remember going to Perseus, searching for Proclus and wondering why is this only in Greek?

Some of Proclus is available in English on the web.

For example proclus/elements of theology

A lot more has been translated into English but is still in copyright.

Andrew Criddle

Roger Pearse · 08-08-2013, 12:55 PM

Brain hurts. Tarzan go lie down until pain go away.

stephan huller · 08-09-2013, 09:39 AM

Here's something that looks very interesting given the literal nature of the Armenian translations of Irenaeus:

The composers (or composer) of Armenian Fragment II (Jordan, TU 36:20.7-27) have captured the same focus although they have taken great liberties with Irenaeus' text (cf. Rousseau, SC 210:135). W. Ludtke presents a German translation in Jordan, TU

Apparently there are 13 Armenian fragments of Against Heresies that have never been translated into English. Some with some considerable textual variation.

Here is the source http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=7vmaQwAACAAJ it is not under copyright because it was published in 1913.

stephan huller · 08-09-2013, 09:41 AM

The book is a million miles away from me but there is a copy at the British Library

http://www.worldcat.org/title/armeni...=brief_results

King's College London

http://www.worldcat.org/title/armeni...=brief_results

Roger Pearse · 08-10-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

Here's something that looks very interesting given the literal nature of the Armenian translations of Irenaeus:

The composers (or composer) of Armenian Fragment II (Jordan, TU 36:20.7-27) have captured the same focus although they have taken great liberties with Irenaeus' text (cf. Rousseau, SC 210:135). W. Ludtke presents a German translation in Jordan, TU

Apparently there are 13 Armenian fragments of Against Heresies that have never been translated into English. Some with some considerable textual variation.

Here is the source http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=7vmaQwAACAAJ it is not under copyright because it was published in 1913.

Robert Bedrosian knows classical Armenian and might well be interested. I'd write myself, but I am in need of holiday right now...

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stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Philaster's work against the heresies Diuersarum haeresion liber .

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Roger Pearse Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 4,370	Brain hurts. Tarzan go lie down until pain go away.

08-09-2013, 09:39 AM	#28
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Here's something that looks very interesting given the literal nature of the Armenian translations of Irenaeus: The composers (or composer) of Armenian Fragment II (Jordan, TU 36:20.7-27) have captured the same focus although they have taken great liberties with Irenaeus' text (cf. Rousseau, SC 210:135). W. Ludtke presents a German translation in Jordan, TU Apparently there are 13 Armenian fragments of Against Heresies that have never been translated into English. Some with some considerable textual variation. Here is the source http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=7vmaQwAACAAJ it is not under copyright because it was published in 1913.

08-09-2013, 09:41 AM	#29
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	The book is a million miles away from me but there is a copy at the British Library http://www.worldcat.org/title/armeni...=brief_results King's College London http://www.worldcat.org/title/armeni...=brief_results

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