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Clivedurdle · 09-11-2013, 12:20 PM

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I’ve just finished making a TV documentary on Tyndale for the BBC. I became fascinated by him when, some years ago, I read conclusive evidence that he had contributed massively to the King James Bible – 90 per cent of the New Testament as we know it was written by William Tyndale.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...akespeare.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p019rn3q

Iskander · 09-11-2013, 04:14 PM

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I’ve just finished making a TV documentary on Tyndale for the BBC. I became fascinated by him when, some years ago, I read conclusive evidence that he had contributed massively to the King James Bible – 90 per cent of the New Testament as we know it was written by William Tyndale.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...akespeare.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p019rn3q

The Reformation was a gift of god to the people of Europe. Wycliffe. Tyndale. Huss. Luther and the glorious Anne Boleyn and her daughter Elizabeth, they all deserve our gratitude.

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We in this age find it impossible to realize the transition that was now accomplished by the people of England. To them the publication of the Word of God in their own tongue was the lifting up of a veil from a world of which before they had heard tell, but which now they saw.

And what a burden was taken from the conscience by the announcement that the forgiveness of the Cross was altogether free! How different was the Gospel of the New Testament from the Gospel of Rome! In the latter all was mystery, in the former all was plain; the one addressed men only in the language of the schools, the other spoke to them in the terms of every day. In the one there was a work to be done, painful, laborious; and he that came short, though but in one iota, exposed himself to all the curses of the law; in the other there was simply a gift to be received, for the work had been done for the poor sinner by Another, and he found himself at the open gates of Paradise.

It needed no one but his own heart, now unburdened of a mighty load, and filled with a joy never tasted before, to tell the man that this was not the Gospel of the priest, but the Gospel of God; and that it had come, not from Rome, but from Heaven.

The History of Protestantism
VOLUME THIRD
Rev. James Aitken Wylie, LL.D

Huon · 09-12-2013, 12:33 AM

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The Reformation was a gift of god to the people of Europe. Wycliffe. Tyndale. Huss. Luther and the glorious Anne Boleyn and her daughter Elizabeth, they all deserve our gratitude.

1. Why don't you mention Calvin ?

2. The wars of religion deserve also our gratitude, no ? Oh, I forgot that they did not exist in England. Henry VIII el Assad was very strict on that point.

Duvduv · 09-12-2013, 01:00 AM

It is entirely possible that were it not for the power of the church even during the advent of reformation that people like Tyndale, Huss ,et al would have led to a mass rejection of Christianity altogether.

Huon · 09-12-2013, 01:34 AM

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It is entirely possible that were it not for the power of the church even during the advent of reformation that people like Tyndale, Huss ,et al would have led to a mass rejection of Christianity altogether.

I doubt very much. Protestants called themseves Christians, not anti-christians.

Duvduv · 09-12-2013, 04:02 AM

They did. But subsequent developments might have evolved differently on a process of de-Vaticanizing beliefs, since their first rebellion ignored the fact that it was the same Church which bequeathed to them what they still held on to.

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It is entirely possible that were it not for the power of the church even during the advent of reformation that people like Tyndale, Huss ,et al would have led to a mass rejection of Christianity altogether.

I doubt very much. Protestants called themseves Christians, not anti-christians.

Jaybees · 09-12-2013, 10:47 AM

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... their first rebellion ignored the fact that it was the same Church which bequeathed to them what they still held on to.

Like indulgences, salvation through good works, transubstantiation, worship of saints, recognition of the papacy, unmarried priests, and on, and on, and on.

The aim of the Reformation, successful or not, was to strip 15th Century Xtianity of all the pagan and meaningless accretions of those fifteen centuries.

Duvduv · 09-12-2013, 01:09 PM

Who gave them the canon? Who gave them the trinity? Who gave them the bishoprics? Who gave them the theology of the Christ in the previous 1000 years? It wasn't the Hindus or the Shamans.

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... their first rebellion ignored the fact that it was the same Church which bequeathed to them what they still held on to.

Like indulgences, salvation through good works, transubstantiation, worship of saints, recognition of the papacy, unmarried priests, and on, and on, and on.

The aim of the Reformation, successful or not, was to strip 15th Century Xtianity of all the pagan and meaningless accretions of those fifteen centuries.

Jaybees · 09-12-2013, 11:06 PM

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Who gave them the canon? Who gave them the trinity? Who gave them the bishoprics? Who gave them the theology of the Christ in the previous 1000 years? It wasn't the Hindus or the Shamans.

Oh, c'mon! Ever heard of fundamentalism? How much do they owe to the RCC? You are referring to High Church Protestantism which is rapidly disappearing as it's being replaced by those fundamentalists.

Clivedurdle · 09-13-2013, 04:59 AM

It was a funny world then - it had been just about doubled in size following getting to the new world, the printing press was having huge effects.

The old guard of the catholic church had to reinvent itself, as did monarchs and states in the slow move from the feudal mindset.

Some nasty wars were fought, but I wonder were they religious wars or more old guard versus new guard. Religion was the language they used to express how they saw things.

I saw a comment that proportionally in the seventeenth century more people died from war than in the twentieth.

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Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	It is entirely possible that were it not for the power of the church even during the advent of reformation that people like Tyndale, Huss ,et al would have led to a mass rejection of Christianity altogether.

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	It was a funny world then - it had been just about doubled in size following getting to the new world, the printing press was having huge effects. The old guard of the catholic church had to reinvent itself, as did monarchs and states in the slow move from the feudal mindset. Some nasty wars were fought, but I wonder were they religious wars or more old guard versus new guard. Religion was the language they used to express how they saw things. I saw a comment that proportionally in the seventeenth century more people died from war than in the twentieth.

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