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Originally Posted by DCHindley
[The word] Papyri refers to manuscripts written on papyrus, not to rolls specifically. I think all but one of the early Christian papyri were from codices.
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Papyrus was not well-adapted for the making of codices. A papyrus sheet usually wasn't wide enough to be folded more than once, such that when used for codices, they couldn't hold much text. Just think of the Nag Hammadi texts. The papyrus codex is not relevant to the discussion on the order of the whole LXX collection.
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Per Don C Barker, "Codex, Roll and Libraries In Oxyrhynchus" (Tyndale Bulletin 57:1, NA 2006):
Siglum (P.Oxy. unless stated) |
Aland no |
Codex / Roll |
Size cm (H x W) |
Lines per page |
Hand |
Punctuation |
Date |
2 |
P1 |
C |
25 x 12 |
c. 37-38 |
Upright neat reformed documentary hand |
Stops, rough breathings |
III |
208 + 1781 |
P5 |
C |
25 x 13 |
27 |
documentary hand |
Blank spaces, rough breathings |
Early III |
402 |
P9 |
C |
15 x 11 |
16 |
Carelessly written, crude and irregular |
Blank spaces rough breathings |
III |
657/PS 11292 |
P13 |
On back of a roll |
? |
c. 23-27 |
Reformed documentary irregular |
Single and double points |
III |
1008/9 |
P15/16 |
C |
26 x 18 |
c. 37-38 |
Reformed documentary |
Blank spaces, rough breathing, high stops? |
Late III |
1078 |
P17 |
C |
25x19 |
16 |
Reformed documentary |
Rough breathing, double dots, medial stops |
Late III |
1079 |
P18 |
C-On back of a roll of Exodus |
? |
? |
Untrained hand |
High and medial stops |
III |
PSI. 1165 |
|
C |
25x16 |
|
Reformed documentary |
|
Early III |
1171 |
P20 |
C |
17x 12 |
25 |
Semi neat reformed documentary |
|
Late III |
1228 |
P22 |
R |
30 |
47-48 |
Round informal medium reformed documentary |
|
Mid III |
1229 |
P23 |
C |
21 x 12 |
27 |
Neat reformed documentary |
Medial stop |
Late II/III |
1230 |
P24 |
C |
28x19 |
43-45 |
Medium size, hurried cursive |
|
Late III |
1355 |
P27 |
C |
25x13 |
43 |
Small neat reformed documentary |
Paragraphi |
III |
1596 |
P28 |
C |
20x13 |
c. 26 |
Medium size, documentary |
High stop, blank space |
Late III |
1597 |
P29 |
C |
27x17 |
38-41 |
Large size documentary |
|
Early III |
1598 |
P30 |
C |
26x16 |
40 |
Large formal heavy round capitals |
|
Early III |
1780 |
P39 |
C |
26 x 16 |
c. 25 |
Large calligraphic |
Blank space |
III |
2383 |
P69 |
C |
25x15 |
? |
Moderate size, good documentary hand |
|
III |
2384 |
P70 |
C |
25 x 15 |
c. 28-29 |
Medium to large upright, documentary |
|
Late III |
2683/4405 |
P77 |
C |
16x 11 |
c. 20 |
Small neat upright reformed documentary |
Middle stop, paragraphi, rough breathing, blank space |
Late II/III |
3523 |
|
C |
16 x 12 |
24 |
Small well formed neat cursive reformed documentary |
Blank space, projection into margin |
II |
4401 |
P101 |
C |
25x10 |
c. 32-33 |
Medium competent semi neat cursive reformed documentary |
|
III |
4403 |
P103 |
C |
16x 11 |
c. 19-20 |
Small elegant neat upright reformed documentary |
Medial stop |
Late II/III |
4404 |
P104 |
C |
25 x 14 |
c. 31 |
Small neat and carefully written cursive reformed documentary |
|
II |
4445 |
P106 |
C |
23 x 12:5 |
c. 36 |
Medium semi neat upright reformed documentary |
|
III |
4446 |
P107 |
C |
? |
c. 33 |
Small semi neat reformed documentary |
|
III |
4447 |
P108 |
C |
18:5 x 14:5 |
c. 23 |
Medium neat and elegant, upright reformed documentary |
|
II/III |
4448 |
P109 |
C |
24 x 12 |
c. 26 |
Medium cursive reformed documentary |
|
II |
4495 |
P111 |
C |
? |
c. 21-22 |
Small semi neat upright reformed documentary |
|
Early III |
4497 |
P113 |
C |
? |
c. 35 |
Small semi neat upright reformed documentary |
Rough breathings, high stops |
III |
4498 |
P114 |
C |
25 x 15 |
c. 27 |
Small semi neat cursive reformed documentary |
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III |
By way of comparison, the "First Classical Library" (II or III century, excavated Jan 13, 2006) a basket full of nine classical works from a scholar’s library, contained of the following (all written on papyrus unless otherwise indicated):
P.Oxy. Siglum |
Codex/Roll |
Size lines cm(H) |
lines per col. |
Hand |
Punuctuation etc. |
Date |
841 |
R |
18 |
c.15 |
Medium size neat reformed documentary |
Rough breathings, accents, paragraphi, high stop |
Early II |
842 |
R |
20:09 |
39 |
Very small neat informal reformed documentary |
Double dot, high stop, paragraphi, accents, rough breathings |
Early II |
843 |
R |
31:01:00 |
47 |
Small well formed informal documentary |
Double dot, paragraphus |
Early III |
844 |
R |
31:01:00 |
38 |
Large formal round |
Paragraphi, blank space, high, middle & low stops |
Early II |
852 |
R |
37:01:00 |
54-66 |
Quickly written reformed documentary |
Accents, rough breathings, high stop |
II/III |
853 |
R |
20:05 |
35-38 |
Small and neat informal round |
Paragraphi |
Late II |
858 |
R |
18 + |
? |
Small sloping neat informal round |
|
II/III |
1012 |
R |
33:05:00 |
c.40 |
Small Informal round reformed documentary hand |
Paragraphi, blank space |
III |
1016 |
R |
28 + |
47 |
Small to medium hand |
Double dots, high stop, accents, comma between double mutes |
III |
1017 |
R |
27:05:00 |
34 |
Larger Rounded informal capital reformed documentary |
Accents, rough breathings, elision, high, middle and low stops, paragraphi |
II/III |
1093 |
R |
29:01:00 |
27-31 |
Reformed Documentary |
Accents, high, medial hand and low stops |
|
1364 |
R |
22:3 + |
33 |
Medium reformed documentary |
Accents, rough breathings, elision, high, medial and low stops |
II/III |
1376 |
R |
32 |
c.49-53 |
Medium neat reformed documentary |
High stops |
II/III |
1606 |
R |
29:05:00 |
c.46-49 |
Small to medium upright informal reformed documentary |
Paragraphi, stops |
II/III |
1607 |
R |
29:04:00 |
40 |
Small to medium neat reformed documentary |
High stops |
II/III |
1608 |
R |
16 + |
c.32 |
Medium neat reformed documentary |
Double dots, paragraphi, high and low stops accents, rough breathings |
Π |
1612 |
R |
28:02:00 |
c.40 |
Sloping round reformed documentary |
Paragraphi, high stops |
III |
Just so you can confirm that these are in fact classical literary works, the works are
841 |
Pindar, Paeans |
842 |
Theopompus (or Cratippus), Hellenica III. Extant Classical Texts |
843 |
Plato, Symposium |
844 |
Isocrates Panegyricus |
852 |
Euripides, Hypsiple |
853 |
Commentary on Thucydides II |
858 |
Oration against Demosthenes |
1012 |
Treatise on Literary Composition |
1016 |
Plato, Phaedrus |
1017 |
Plato, Phaedrus |
1364 |
Antiphon Sophistes, Περί Άληθείας i. |
1376 |
Thucydides vii |
1606 |
Lysias, pros Hippothersen, Against Theomnestus, |
1607 |
Hyperides (?), For Lycophron |
1608 |
Aeschines Socraticus, Alcibiades |
1612 |
Oration on the Cult of Caesar |
DCH
Source Document available online here.
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