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Old 06-26-2013, 01:42 AM   #21
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Hi Stephan,

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If Mythicists Are Going to Interpret the Gospel They Will Have to Learn Jewish Myths
You mean like the writers of the Gospels did?

I agree!
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And so it is written , The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last, the Lord was made a quickening spirit.
Where did you get your version of 1 Cor. 15.45?

SBL Greek New Testament 1 Corinthians 15.45

45 οὕτως καὶ γέγραπται· Ἐγένετο ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος Ἀδὰμ εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν· ὁ ἔσχατος Ἀδὰμ εἰς πνεῦμα ζῳοποιοῦν.

1 Corinthians 15:45 ASV
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So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam [became] a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV
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And so it is written , The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 NIV
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So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 BBE
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And so it is said, The first man Adam was a living soul. The last Adam is a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 CEB
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So it is also written, The first human, Adam, became a living person, and the last Adam became a spirit that gives life.

1 Corinthians 15:45 CJB
Complete Jewish Bible

In fact, the Tanakh says so: Adam, the first man, became a living human being;o but the last "Adam" has become a life-giving Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 RHE
Douay-Rheims

The first man Adam was made into a living soul; the last Adam into a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 ESV
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Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being";the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 GW
GOD'S WORD Translation

This is what Scripture says: "The first man, Adam, became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 GNT
Good News Translation

For the scripture says, "The first man, Adam, was created a living being"; but the last Adam is the life-giving Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 HNV
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So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 CSB
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So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being ; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 LEB
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Thus also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul"; the last Adam [became] a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 NAS
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So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 NCV
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It is written in the Scriptures: "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam became a spirit that gives life.

1 Corinthians 15:45 NIRV
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It is written, "The first man Adam became a living person."#1(Genesis 2:7)#2 The last Adam became a spirit that gives life.

1 Corinthians 15:45 NKJV
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And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 NLT
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The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam -- that is, Christ -- is a life-giving Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 NRS
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Thus it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 RSV
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Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 DBY
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Thus also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul; the last Adam a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 MSG
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We follow this sequence in Scripture: The First Adam received life, the Last Adam is a life-giving Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 WBT
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And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam [was made] a vivifying spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 TMB
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And so it is written: "The first man Adam was made a living soul." The last Adam was made a quickening Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 TNIV
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So it is written: "The first Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 TYN
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as it is written: the fyrste man Adam was made a livinge soule: and ye last Ada was made a quickeninge sprete.

1 Corinthians 15:45 WNT
Weymouth New Testament

In the same way also it is written, "The first man Adam became a living animal"; the last Adam is a life-giving Spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 WEB
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So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:45 WYC
Wycliffe

as it is written, The first man Adam was made into a soul living, the last Adam into a spirit quickening.

1 Corinthians 15:45 YLT
Young's Literal Translation

so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam [is] for a life-giving spirit,
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And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last, the Lord was made a quickening spirit.
Where did you get your version of 1 Cor. 15.45?

SBL Greek New Testament 1 Corinthians 15.45

45 οὕτως καὶ γέγραπται· Ἐγένετο ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος Ἀδὰμ εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν· ὁ ἔσχατος Ἀδὰμ εἰς πνεῦμα ζῳοποιοῦν.
I'd [incorrectly, of course] render

45 οὕτως καὶ γέγραπται· Ἐγένετο ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος Ἀδὰμ εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν· ὁ ἔσχατος Ἀδὰμ εἰς πνεῦμα ζῳοποιοῦν.

as follows:

The first man Adam became a living being.
The last Adam [became] a life giving spirit.

The bolded words are allusions to the latter half of LXX Genesis 2.7:

καὶ ἐνεφύσησεν εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ πνοὴν ζωῆς
καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν

Again, my [incorrect, of course] rendering would be:

And [God] breathed into its face a breath of life
and the man became a living being.[/INDENT]
By the term "last Adam," which is generally [I know, I know, to you it would be incorrectly] interpreted as Christ, the author of 1 Cor. 15:45 is clearly linking his "life giving spirit" to the spirit that God is said to have used to create a human being (Adam).

The last clause of vs 45 does not contain a verb, so the verbal action likely is assumed from the preceding Ἐγένετο (past tense, became). Whoever wrote this apparently believed that Christ was the god that breathed life-giving spirit into Adam. "Every one is an Arian! "
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very perceptive David.
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Although I think the "life giving" happened "last" ie in the secret gospel narrative
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There is an interesting discussion - two separate ones in fact - in Adamantius made especially significant by your observation
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