Littlejohn

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Historical Jesus vs. Acharya's mythicism

From a PM sent to Acharya S

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Sorry, darling lady Acharya....There existed an ONLY Jesus, but MULTIFORM! ...Namely, with multiple identities and different roles, according to his personal choices.

From gospel according to Luke, 9:18 :

"..And it came about that when he was in prayer, by himself, and the disciples were with him, he put a question to them, saying, Who do the people say I am?.."

This is a very important 'key of reading', ignored, until now, by all scholars who have dealt with, and who still occupy, of the studies on the origins of Christianity. In fact, Jesus was worried , IN REALITY, that people knew his true identity. Of course, all of this took place OUTSIDE of Palestine, as he was WELL known in this historical region. (see Talmud of rabbis, where Jesus is shown REALISTICALLY for what historically he was)

It is just that aspect, namely the extraordinary multiformity of 'jesuan' character, which makes it very difficult to follow his historical traces, so much that because of this, since early nineteenth century, you developed a mythicist theory, addressed to support non-historicity of Jesus of Nazareth, because, according to this theory, he would have been the result of a pushed mythological syncretism, built on the basis of mythical characters (Horus, Dionysus / Bacchus, Khrisna, Adonis. Mithra, etc..), pre-existing to Christianity, which would have been taken as a model for 'shaping' the figure of Jesus, assumed as unlikely.

And it's always because of this multiformity of the 'jesuan' character that, again today, after nearly three centuries of fruitless searches (but useful for those who are currently engage in such research), no scholar in the world, even as capable, is managed yet to write the word 'end' to the research on the historical Jesus. The great Albert Schweitzer, at the end of his course of study, affirmed, resigned and disappointed, that the puzzle of the origins of Christianity has no solution.

Jesus, a MAN and NOT a god, was a truly historic character, intelligent, genial in its kind, highly eclectic, so much to be able to immerse easily himself in various roles and various identity: first cause of his apparent 'fading' in the historical lay records . (to Rome, for example, Jesus was NOT known with his 'Iesous' attribute - because of what it was - but with another identity and with the CHRESTOS attribute)

Jesus and his mother should have been of interest ONLY to historians and novelists(*), and NOT of counterfeiters theologians who, in order to achieve their goals, distorted deeply his historical profile and his TRUE human history.

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(*) - as much it may seem incredible, in part this has occurred. (see, as an example, what is known of the famous 'Scroll of Safed')

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Littlejohn

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From a PM sent to Acharya S

Estimated Mss. Acharya,

I prefered to send this PM instead enter the text below into her bulletin board. Then you will decide whether to include it or not.

"..There were MANY Jesuses in antiquity.."

We have already discussed this topic, for which you known how I feel about it

"..If you are interested in the FACTS of this matter, you are welcome actually to STUDY the subject. If not, you are on the wrong FB page. "

You mean if I am interested in the mythological origins of Christianity? .. This is my point of view, formed in more than 16 years of very intense study.

ALL of the 'mythicists' are right when they say that the 'Catho-Christianity' (and NOT just Christianity!) was built 'plundering' the mythologies of the pagan cults that existed at that time, as the aim of the 'founding fathers' was that of conversion of pagans of the Empire (Catholicum = Empire's universe), and NOT the Jews! .. In fact, only a fool would thinked to convert the Jews, offering them a cult by the clear PAGAN 'flavor', just as was the Catho-Christianity of the origins!

However, NEVER they would have put at the center of this worship a jew NEVER EXISTED, because any Jew, even the more fool, he would had been able to refute the 'fakers'! ..It would have been better, in such a case, to 'fish' a character in the Far East, very difficult to refute it ..

However, it would had been very unlikely that such a character could have had the extraordinary and unique characteristics of the man known to history as Jesus of Nazareth, but that in reality it was called YESHAY (Jesse). Without these characteristics (magician, very expert illusionist, thaumaturgical healer, highly educated, with excellent knowledge of greek and other languages) Jesus would never have gone down in history ...

Although seemingly scarce are pagan evidences (mainly due to the suppression of the texts that gave a 'particular' testimony of the TRUE historical and human profile of Jesus and of his REAL story) we have good evidence of his existence in rabbinic literature and in the Mandaean one. Besides that, in the second century of our era were born over 70 Gnostic sects (jesuans and NOT christians!), ALL revolving around of the Jesus' figure .. What need had the counterfeiters to 'invent' such a large number of Gnostic sects?.

Jesus - the one historical and NOT that of 'faith' - did not had ANYTHING to do with the Catholic-Christianity (founded in Rome around 140-150, that is, about 70 years after the death of Jesus, happened at Lydda in 72), because he was a famous Gnostic teacher of his time, trained at the gnostic school of gnostic 'wizard' John the Baptist ... He, Jesus, was 'eradicated' by the counterfeiters from his natural 'watercourse', that is the one Gnostic, to arbitrarily make him the unlikely messiah of the new cult Catholic-Christian, on the basis of 'Judeo-Christian' model: a cult closely pro-Judaic, founded in Antioch of Syria between 85-90 (see Acts of Apostles)

".. Time to embrace the truth..."

My truth I have embraced it from long time ... Now I'm trying to complete my research cycle, in order to collect the maximum amount of data to support the book I'm slowly dialing, in order to build a solid redundancy of such data, 'conditio sine qua non' it would be very difficult to be taken into account by the international erudition.

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aa5874

You are really no different to the authors of the Jesus stories. You reject the Jesus story and then introduce another myth.

The argument for an historical Jesus must be specific.

The argument for an historical Jesus is directly based on a character who was supposedly baptized by John and crucified under Pilate between c 27-37 CE, was believed to be from Nazareth and was worshiped as a God and a Messianic ruler.

There is NO evidence of such a character from Nazareth in the time of Pilate.

In Acts of the Apostles it was a Promised Holy Ghost that gave the disciples the power to start the Jesus cult--Jesus of Nazareth was in a cloud.

Jesus of Nazareth was NOT a Gnostic teacher--he spoke in PARABLES so the people would REMAIN in Sin.

Mark 4

Littlejohn

Your idea of ​​a not historical Jesus haunts you ... As long as you not gonna get rid of this 'obsession', you will not be able to know NOTHING about the real origins of Christianity ...

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aa5874

It is you who do not understand the argument or Quest for an Historical Jesus of Nazareth.

HJ of Nazareth MUST be specific just like the historical Pilate, the historical Tiberius, the historical Ananias, the High Priest, the historical Herod, tetrarch of Galilee.

One would NOT look for an historical Tiberius between 85-90 C E so too one cannot claim a figure supposedly living 50-60 years after Jesus of Nazareth was supposedly dead is the same Jesus in the Gospels.

Godless Raven

What the fuck is this? A quadruple negative statement? I've never not seen that not, not done before.

Littlejohn

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This relief is a relief of the cock! ... What do you mean, exactly? ... That aa5874 is he right? .. Do you believe also that Jesus never existed? .. Do you believe that in the first century of our era it was possible to invent the figure of a Jew never existed and build around him a cult, such as the one Catho-Christian? .... But we're all crazy?! ...

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Littlejohn

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Posted into 'bulletin board' di Acharya S (now deleted by the same Acharya)

e-mail adresse of Littlejohn: sungod_S@libero.it

Acharya S:

"..In the meantime, perhaps you shouldn't use the "sungod" email address, as you appear not to comprehend solar mythology..."

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No one contradiction....

The God of the origins of Judaism, namely the God of Moses, was the SUN 'GOD', called in Thebes (the capital of the southern kingdom: TRUE place of origin of Moses) with the name AMEN/AMON. Thus, the Sun God was, therefore, also the God of the Christians, as the founding fathers of the Chatolic-Christianity claimed, against all logic, to derive their religion from the Jewish one. Ergo, the pagans had therefore correct in stating that Christians worshiped the Sun God (see Tertullian).

Littlejohn

NOTE: I had posted this message in a blog of Acharya. However, she has not allowed that it appeared in the blog. Why? ... Maybe because it disturbed his 'dogma', according to which Jesus = Horus? ....

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Littlejohn

You Americans have 'personalized' the concepts of democracy, freedom, justice ... In my group everyone can say what he wants, and no one has ever been banned ...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/362924681563/

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Roger Pearse

Point of order ... do you have her permission to post publically something she said privately, in a PM? (If your posts contains such) Just a courtesy issue.