Badfish

Did they make you remove them? Weren't they wolves?

Smilin

my theory is if they can't defend their stance, they eliminate the source... pretty scary eh?

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In short, there should be no such rule, IF you really want to have any kind of discussion because the term "blasphemy" can be invoked at any time if the discussion goes against your POV. From what I have observed on CF, that is exactly how this rule is used, as a weapon to silence the opposition when the argument goes against you. Just claim "Christian-bashing blasphemy"-instant end of discussion....

aahhh.. a catch 22 eh? Christianity in itself is guilty of much more than just bashing. Genocide comes to mind. If we (all of humanity) inherity the original sins of the metaphorical Adam and Eve, I counter that all current Christians inherit the sins of their forefathers (enslavement of Africans, genocide of Native Americans, etc, etc)

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WHERE??? I though the Apologetics Forum only '"tolerated" that (excuse me while I sweep up the pieces of my shattered irony meter here!). If we are allowed to do so, then WHY was my post censored that simply gave websites listing said contradictions? Can you answer me that?

Same reason my post was deleted in the youth forums, when certain young members bought into the belief that homosexuality was a choice, was the work of demons, led to psychosis and greed. I posted the scientific research associated with sexual development, the difference between personality disorders (psychosis for one) and sexual development, and the overwhelming research which shows sexual development is a process just as personality development is a process and not a conscious choice. That post was immediately deleted. The given excuse? It was irrelevant to the topic at hand.

My conclusion? Christianity is only interested in statements which supports itself. Their youth are taught to hate, avoid, persecute those who don't fall into their neat categories.

Smilin

ummmm Tenek.... zip up your dick again???????

know what's worse than zipping it up? (unzipping it)

livius drusus

Hey Tenek (and any other CF outcasts feeling the need), you might find this thread enjoyable.

mfaber

You got that right! It seems that they will only abide "openess" as long as they can rig the game in their favor so that they can shut down the opposition when the argument goes against them.

Hehe! Good one, Smilin...turn the "corruption of the blood" (sins of the parents taint the offspring, one of Jehovah's favorite damnations) on them for once.

/sarcasm on/

What Smilin!!?? For shame! You should know by now not to "corrupt" young minds with "just the facts". How dare you try interrupt that groups' adrenaline rush of "religiously-correct" homophobic "righteous" indignation!!!

/sacasm off/

And they don't want any pesky skeptics "corrupting" the process either (a la Madfish's bleat about how we, the "corruptors', didn't belong on CF because all we want to do was tear down Christianity/God)

The bottom line is that fundies need to disguise prejudice in the mantle of virtue by having it become a command of God ("gracious " submission of women, homosexuality an abomination, sex is dirty unless someone performs a ritual over you...yadah yaddah!). This is very handy since this God is invisible and can't be called "on the carpet" for examination.

Now armed with the "God-excuse'" fundies can freely practice their prejudices and when called on say "But it's Gods will/command! I am only obeying His will! This is just a way to not accept responsibility for one's actions and is a variant of the refuge in authority excuse... The quintessential example is that of Nazi war criminals trying to excuse their behavior by saying "but I was just following orders". The Religious Reich has only exchanged Hitler (authority to commit crimes) for God (authority to commit and enshine as law of the land, their prejudices)

This is the main reason many are creations who fear evolution. Evolution shows that the literal interpretation of the Bible is quite ridiculous. If the literal interpretation of Genesis is wrong (oops! there just went the "God-excuse" for discrimination against women! out the window!), then the "justifications" (but God says!) for the rest of their prejudices, based on literal interpretations of selected bits, are immediately called into question. Also in mortal jepardy is their morbid, ugly view of the nature of humanity (all are born sinful, evil, worthless, based on the Eve frame-up ) which is the foundation for the "Salvation" riff .

ShabbyChick

I've finished slogging through this thread and I have a few things to say....

In regards to the two baby girls holding hands... heh... Twins was the first thing that came to my mind. Those nasty christians need to get their minds out of the gutter.

To Badfish, after reading through this thread, I find it quite amusing that your whole approach to this thread has changed midstream. With offers of PMs with secret information and unchristian language - to the badly attempted defense of your born-again predjudices.

To Madfish, For me, your remarks on CF about stepping out in front of traffic (and others) kind of put a whole different spin to your "you make me sick" outburst of a few pages ago. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and take a good look at yourself.

To the rest of the CF crowd hanging out here, I am so glad I found you.

Badfish

No Gods, that's because people are getting hurt, what started as folly and joking, turned to people webwide becoming hurt.

I am not the web ambassador, I was just pointing out that CF isn't such a bad place.

The people come to me, and more than one, many, and I felt it was my duty as a Christian to represent CF for what it is.

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe I should have just stayed out of it.

ShabbyChick

Maybe these people who were getting hurt need to examine why they are even being discussed away from CF. And what will you do about the people getting hurt by "christian" posts at CF? What if the posts are from you or your wife?

Badfish

Maybe they do, who knows, but I haven't hurt no one. If someone is hurt by my post I expect a PM saying that whatever I may have said hurt them.

I can't speak for my wife, but people do say many hurtful things to her too, it's a two way street.

They say mean things to me too, but I usually don't let it bother me.

It's only a forum, I am glad there is life outside of the web.

HelenM

It's only a forum but the people on it are real people with real feelings.

If you - or others - wouldn't say hurtful things to people in real life they'd be best not said on a forum, don't you think?

I see value in the anonymity permitted on forums, but the anonymity also can make it easy to be unkind/irresponsible in what one says and I don't personally think that's a good thing.

Helen