dangin

Yeah, but sometimes our denial of our animal programming (which is way more powerful than most people believe or even realize) creates a fucked up society too.

In the case of killing those attacking our own children, I'd say it is hard to argue that violence is one of our animal proclivities that should be encouraged. But on the other hand, what else is society for than to protect the weaker members. (children)

And I don't see any more justification in letting someone get tortured and shifted in prison for being a pedophile, than I do by simply allowing the parent to act out their own rage.

But your points are all good.

Loren Pechtel

That's what I was saying about power-imbalance situations.

Loren Pechtel

Teacher/student is generally banned. Here, it's a felony if the student is in high school, even if they are over the age of consent.

Psychiatrist/patient is banned.


Otherwise, how do you identify the unacceptable situations to pass a law against them?

Loren Pechtel

Originally posted by dangin
Hey, wait, what's wrong with bestiality. The dog consented, I swear it did.

Actually, I don't see a problem, either. The applicable law should be cruelty to animals. No cruelty, no crime. Other than abuse, we can do with our animals what we want, so why should we be prohibited sex with them?

Besides, is a dog humping your leg beastiality? <G>

lunachick

I'm not anti-porn, or anti-prostitution, nor am I a christian - but, I could kill if I caught anyone messing with my child. In my own experience, which I have no desire to elaborate on, I still fantasise about taking a sledgehammer to the person concerned.

Odemus

Truthfully I don't know if I'm a Christian. I was raised as a Christian, and I've lived most of my life believing in the Bible etc. etc., but I do have my doubts (largely due in to this site). I'm definately not living as a Christian (I don't pray or attend church anymore) but since I believe in most of the basic moral principles of Christianity, you can call me a Christian if it suits your purposes.

Again, I'm not advocating killing child molesters. I just know for a fact that if I saw someone molesting my child he would be dead within seconds. Now if I knew of someone who without question molested a neighbourhood child or something like that I would probably have more restraint, and he would end up permanently impotent or something like that.

This is not a a subject I consider to be within the realm of academic theory. The idea of mutual consent between adults and children regarding sex does not apply. There is only a predator/prey relationship, period end of story.

I would also argue that from an athiestic view the world is much better off for every child molester (or potential child molester) that we dispose of. Do you want to be raising children in a neighbourhood where a convicted molester lives?

In any case I do advocate rehabilitation. I honestly hope that one day there will be a full proof method for rehabilitating all sex offenders. Until that day, I'm simply a man with the same protective instincts as most parents who love their children.

Fr.Andrew

Define "molestation".

lunachick

Molest:
Main Entry: mo·lest
Pronunciation: m&-'lest
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French molester, from Latin molestare, from molestus burdensome, annoying; akin to Latin moles mass
Date: 14th century
1 : to annoy, disturb, or persecute especially with hostile intent or injurious effect
2 : to make annoying sexual advances to; especially : to force physical and usually sexual contact on
- mo·les·ta·tion /"mO-"les-'tA-sh&n, "mä-, -l&s-/ noun
- mo·lest·er /m&-'les-t&r/ noun

And from my printed Chambers Concise: to vex: to interfere with in a troublesome or hostile way: to annoy/annoyance. Molestful: troublesome.

Fr.Andrew

(Odemus): "The idea of mutual consent between adults and children regarding sex does not apply. There is only a predator/prey relationship, period end of story."
(Fr Andrew): This is probably the sort of closed-minded approach to things that has caused people to confuse you with a Christian.

lunachick

I'm not a christian, nor do I think I'm particularly closed-minded; but I agree with Odemus in that it can only be a predator/prey relationship. A manipulator, and the manipulated.