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enrious · 05-20-2002, 08:21 AM

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Daggah · 05-20-2002, 03:03 PM

Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church.

Hastur · 05-21-2002, 05:49 AM

I always enjoy the colossal arrogance of types like that principal. "We're doing What's Best(tm)" because, of course, NOT praying and venerating Sky Daddy will get all the poor chilluns cooked in Hay-ull!
And this guy is an educator?

Fastfalcon · 05-21-2002, 07:55 AM

My opinion?:

at the student. It does not violate his rights to say a prayer or say "God bless you"!!!! Sad.

hezekiah jones · 05-21-2002, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by Fastfalcon:
My opinion?:

at the student. It does not violate his rights to say a prayer or say "God bless you"!!!! Sad.

State sponsored prayer, especially this sort of blatantly sectarian gibberish, is unequivocally unconstitutional.

Darwin's Finch · 05-21-2002, 08:08 AM

Fastfalcon: "My opinion?...it does not violate his rights to say a prayer or say, "God bless you"!!! Sad."

This is a public school event, funded by taxpayers' money: when the superintendent (a government employee) says a prayer invoking Christ, it most certainly does violate his rights. The courts have been consistent about that for years; it constitutes a violation of the establishment clause of the first amendment. The only thing that's sad about it is that people still have to sue to protect themselves from government-sponsered displays of Christian faith.

Well, it's not the only sad thing. Your lack of understanding of constitutional law is also pretty pathetic.

Mageth · 05-21-2002, 08:08 AM

Ballistic Buteo:

The Supreme Court's opinion is that school-sponsored prayer DOES violate his rights. I think their constitutional knowledge trumps yours by, well, a bit.

Fastfalcon · 05-21-2002, 08:11 AM

WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IS STATE SPONSORED PRAYER NOT ALLOWED!!!!!!!! Where is it unconstitutional for teachers to lead a prayer? Show me where and I'll take back my previous post.

hezekiah jones · 05-21-2002, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fastfalcon:
WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IS STATE SPONSORED PRAYER NOT ALLOWED!!!!!!!!

<a href="http://www.au.org/pcases.htm" target="_blank">School prayer: Landmark Cases</a>

Fastfalcon · 05-21-2002, 08:17 AM

Here is the only place on religous restriction:
Amendment 1
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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05-20-2002, 03:03 PM	#2
Daggah Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Deployed to Kosovo Posts: 4,314	Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church.

05-21-2002, 05:49 AM	#3
Hastur Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Carcosa Posts: 238	I always enjoy the colossal arrogance of types like that principal. "We're doing What's Best(tm)" because, of course, NOT praying and venerating Sky Daddy will get all the poor chilluns cooked in Hay-ull! And this guy is an educator?

05-21-2002, 07:55 AM	#4
Fastfalcon Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bermuda Posts: 114	My opinion?: at the student. It does not violate his rights to say a prayer or say "God bless you"!!!! Sad.

05-21-2002, 08:08 AM	#6
Darwin's Finch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Gardnerville, NV Posts: 666	Fastfalcon: "My opinion?...it does not violate his rights to say a prayer or say, "God bless you"!!! Sad." This is a public school event, funded by taxpayers' money: when the superintendent (a government employee) says a prayer invoking Christ, it most certainly does violate his rights. The courts have been consistent about that for years; it constitutes a violation of the establishment clause of the first amendment. The only thing that's sad about it is that people still have to sue to protect themselves from government-sponsered displays of Christian faith. Well, it's not the only sad thing. Your lack of understanding of constitutional law is also pretty pathetic.

05-21-2002, 08:08 AM	#7
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Ballistic Buteo: The Supreme Court's opinion is that school-sponsored prayer DOES violate his rights. I think their constitutional knowledge trumps yours by, well, a bit.

05-21-2002, 08:11 AM	#8
Fastfalcon Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bermuda Posts: 114	WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION IS STATE SPONSORED PRAYER NOT ALLOWED!!!!!!!! Where is it unconstitutional for teachers to lead a prayer? Show me where and I'll take back my previous post.

05-21-2002, 08:17 AM	#10
Fastfalcon Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bermuda Posts: 114	Here is the only place on religous restriction: Amendment 1 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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