Radorth

Well thank you Hedwig, but the story doesn't make any sense since, in all of history, we do not find Christians taunting people by singing hymns. If they were playing "hang the Witch" or something, I might believe it. It might make some sense if we could hear the surrounding facts, but I'm sure we never will. We have not even a single statement by a witness saying they were taunting her by singing hymns.

But some skeptics believe virtually anything that appears on the Internet, and supports a pet theory.

Rad

Radorth

So Yb, do you admit you said atheists were more honest by definition, or not? And that you also said you were inflexible about it?

And do you remember me saying I thought it was a mixed bag?

Hello.

Rad

copernicus

Radorth, you certainly do not have to believe everything that is written in a news story, but why do you reject it out of hand? Do you have any evidence that the Detroit News made this story up? Did they fake the picture of her journal? Did the reporter, George Hunter, also make up the $10 million lawsuit that Denessa Smith filed in federal court? And did ABC's 20/20 fake their interview with Denessa Smith?

You said It's a marvel what "skeptics" will call a "fact." Yikes. Yet, it is really you who are the skeptic of this story. And the "marvel" is your facile ability to reject as "fact" whatever you choose to disbelieve. On the other hand, your skeptical eye seems to suffer from extreme myopia when it gazes upon biblical scripture.

ybnormal

I think I may be falling in love with you Rad.

You talking about the same post where I said, "Strange as it sounds, I've kinda grown to like you for some reason, and have even grown to respect your determined ability to keep coming back for more abuse."?

That post?

And what has all that got to do with Toto, or some link posted by Copernicus, or with "honesty' even? The part you're remembering is all about integrity... a much broader term than just little ole honesty all by itself.

Anyway, I think I have found the post in question... I have copied it into WORD... I have also copied the link to it into WORD, and I'm trying to decide if I should paste it here for you, or make you go get it yourself, which would maybe be a first for all of us to see. Let me think on it some...

Radorth

Oh my. Yes. Let me rephrase. Do you remember saying atheists had more integrity by definition?

We're all on pins and needles now.

I remember well enough. It is skeptics who have forgotten apparently.

Rad

Radorth

Are you even reading this thread?

Rad

ybnormal

The whole thing? You mean other people's posts too?

ybnormal

How is the US Constitution a result of "Christian principles"?

Originally posted by Radorth:
Or do you just automatically assume all atheists have more integrity than Christians?

Originally posted by ybnormal:
In its most simple terms, each people, as a group, and in general? Of course! That's a no-brainer, for me personally. This mainly from the perspective that as a group, unlike xians, Atheists are not hypocrites by default, by calling themselves Atheists. xians as a group, set themselves up as being superior to others, thru their most basic ideology, that everyone else should convert and be "just like them". In that sense, and as a group, xians elevate themselves to some higher standard, whereas most Atheists, and certainly I myself, claim no such blanket supremacy. And yes, I'm a real hardass about this principled view. Sorry, but IMO, this fault of Christianity is just dirt-simple bigotry, which commands no integrity.

Radorth

So by admitting they are sinners and trusting in Christ as saviour, they automatically join a "group" which has no integrity and become hypocrites as well?

Perhaps you would like to clarify.

Rad

trunks2k

Really? Damn, then I guess I must have not gone to a Christian school. I went to a Catholic high school and I knew dozens and dozens of kids that did drugs, got in fights, had sex regularly, etc. They were just a lot better at hiding it from the administration.