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MadKally · 03-28-2003, 06:31 PM

They all die with family and friends around. The non religious are just as comfortable and relatively pain free as the religious people. Sorry, no difference for you people. It isn't any easier if you have faith in a god or the tooth fairy.

03-28-2003, 06:37 PM

by MadKally

They all die with family and friends around. The non religious are just as comfortable and relatively pain free as the religious people. Sorry, no difference for you people. It isn't any easier if you have faith in a god or the tooth fairy.

when Death comes, You WILL face it alone ...

In the end, who you have around you doesn't matter, who will be staring in face of Death is You and You alone.

MadKally · 03-28-2003, 06:53 PM

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seraphim: when Death comes, You WILL face it alone ...

In the end, who you have around you doesn't matter, who will be staring in face of Death is You and You alone.

We all will seraphim, even you. See you around. It's pointless to try to carry on a conversation with you. IMO of course

Kally

03-28-2003, 07:05 PM

Yes, we all WILL ...

Have a nice day.

Albion · 03-28-2003, 10:52 PM

Well, even the studies that claimed to show effects of intercessory prayer involved Catholic and Jewish prayer too, as I recall. So the people trying to claim that prayer is effective will also have to accept that it doesn't have to be True Christian prayer.

Nowhere357 · 03-29-2003, 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by Wyz_sub10
I can't tell if echidna and Mad Kally's comments on the placebo affect are in support of what I said or against it.

But I don't disagree with either of the posts. I am saying only that the placebo affect won't address viruses, bacteria, tumors of stab wounds. It can be helpful as a coping mechanism or in cases of psychosomatic problems, as was noted.

Placebos may be sugar pills or starch pills. Even �fake� surgery and �fake� psychotherapy are considered placebos. It seems to me that this requires sort of a 'passive' approach by the patient.

Meditation and positive thinking are both more 'active'. I think they can stimulate the immune system, at least. That could help fight bacteria, and maybe speed healing. I don't know about the tumors and viruses, but I would guess it could help.

Nowhere357 · 03-29-2003, 01:48 AM

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Originally posted by Mad Kally

Nowhere,
Prayer may comfort them at the end, but it is not going to stop the disease process of cancer.

Understood.

It must be hard. Witnessing pain in others hurts.

MadKally · 03-29-2003, 06:24 AM

Yes nowhere, it hurts a lot. But it feels good to help them and their family /friends as much as possible.

Mike_Decock,
I read the article on arsenic and that's really interesting. That form of leukemia must be really rare. I've never seen or heard of it before. (APL) acute promyelocytic leukemia.

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- A pilot study has found that a form of arsenic was able to stop leukemia in two-thirds of patients, causing only minimal side effects.

The study, completed at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, administered the compound arsenic trioxide on 12 patients terminally-ill with a rare form of the disease called acute promyelocytic leukemia or APL.

For eight of the patients, the disease went into full remission for up to 10 months.

Thanks for the info.

Kally

dk · 03-29-2003, 06:58 AM

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Originally posted by MadKally

They are going to die, there is no turning back or miraculous cures.. and that's that... Some of them call me an Angel of Mercy and it goes through my heart like a knife when I first meet them because I know I will have to watch them die.

Kally

Everybody is going to die Kally, what makes terminal illness so tragic for so many people may not have anything to do with death, but a life lived under the absurd assumption that some medical treatment can save it.

MadKally · 03-29-2003, 07:01 AM

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Originally posted by dk
Everybody is going to die Kally, what makes terminal illness so tragic for so many people may not have anything to do with death, but a life lived under the absurd assumption that some medical treatment can save it.

That's why when they meet me all treatments are over. Palliative care only. I know what you mean though. I worked on an oncology floor when I first graduated. That's where all the aggressive treatment takes place.

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03-28-2003, 06:31 PM	#31
MadKally Banned Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: LALA Land in California Posts: 433	They all die with family and friends around. The non religious are just as comfortable and relatively pain free as the religious people. Sorry, no difference for you people. It isn't any easier if you have faith in a god or the tooth fairy.

03-28-2003, 06:37 PM	#32
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	by MadKally They all die with family and friends around. The non religious are just as comfortable and relatively pain free as the religious people. Sorry, no difference for you people. It isn't any easier if you have faith in a god or the tooth fairy. when Death comes, You WILL face it alone ... In the end, who you have around you doesn't matter, who will be staring in face of Death is You and You alone.

03-28-2003, 07:05 PM	#34
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	Yes, we all WILL ... Have a nice day.

03-28-2003, 10:52 PM	#35
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Well, even the studies that claimed to show effects of intercessory prayer involved Catholic and Jewish prayer too, as I recall. So the people trying to claim that prayer is effective will also have to accept that it doesn't have to be True Christian prayer.

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