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Valentine Pontifex · 10-27-2002, 08:53 PM

The following comes from Douglas Theobald's reply to a creationist critic of "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution." <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/camp.html" target="_blank">Link</a>

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Figure C1. Distribution of genetic distances between human and mouse genes. The histogram is the actual data from 2,019 human and mouse genes. The solid curve shows the expected distribution of genetic distances assuming only a constant rate of background mutation (~10^-9 substitutions per site per year) (reproduced from Figure 3a in Kumar and Subramanian 2002).

Those who understand the significance of bell curves should understand just how strong this evidence is.

A recent article in Science has a very similar diagram for fruitflies and mosquitoes. <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/298/5591/149/F2" target="_blank">Link</a>.

The article which it is part of will be free with a registration until October 31. <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/298/5591/149" target="_blank">Link</a>

Dr.GH · 10-27-2002, 09:34 PM

Thanks for the info.

The Science article plot looks a bit like an F distribution, neh?

monkenstick · 10-27-2002, 09:40 PM

I love that graph, I think i'll post it over at christian forums, and see what happens

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ · 10-27-2002, 09:54 PM

Well, some parts of it don't reach all the way up, and others it over extends. This is not evidence at all.

Valentine Pontifex · 10-28-2002, 07:04 PM

From the citation from "29+ Evidences," I went to the PNAS site and the cited paper which the bell shaped curve can be found at:

<a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/99/2/803" target="_blank">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/99/2/803</a>

The full text is free without registration.

Also if anyone wants to use that graph in Science I suggest you down load it before November -- the article will go back to subscription, site license, or pay-per-view basis at the turn of the month.

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10-27-2002, 09:34 PM	#2
Dr.GH Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dana Point, Ca, USA Posts: 2,115	Thanks for the info. The Science article plot looks a bit like an F distribution, neh?

10-27-2002, 09:40 PM	#3
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	I love that graph, I think i'll post it over at christian forums, and see what happens

10-27-2002, 09:54 PM	#4
Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Heaven Posts: 6,980	Well, some parts of it don't reach all the way up, and others it over extends. This is not evidence at all.

10-28-2002, 07:04 PM	#5
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	From the citation from "29+ Evidences," I went to the PNAS site and the cited paper which the bell shaped curve can be found at: <a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/99/2/803" target="_blank">http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/99/2/803</a> The full text is free without registration. Also if anyone wants to use that graph in Science I suggest you down load it before November -- the article will go back to subscription, site license, or pay-per-view basis at the turn of the month.

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