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Wyz_sub10 · 12-18-2002, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Amos:
The dean of Harvard University recently made a public apology for the expulsion of gay and sexually disoriented students from its register (I think it was called the "great American gay hunt" in the article I read). This kind of discrimation was enforced from 1920 to at least the late 50's and maybe this is where the Authorney General should direct his attention. The article appeared in a Dutch gay magazine of which I do not remember the name, sorry.

I think poor Cardinal Law moved the priests around to protect both the children and the priests who themselves were victims of a very hypocratic puritan society.

I just want to clarify that the remarks you quoted were galiel's and not mine.

Vorkosigan · 12-18-2002, 01:57 PM

Gemma,

during the Facist period prior to and in WWII, the Church supported Facism in every country where it appeared. It dismantled the opposition to Hitler. It supported Franco, and cut deals with Hitler and Mussolini to advance its interests in those nations. It supplied a cleric to act as dictator of the rump state of Slovakia. Clerics ran death camps, and cooperated and led hunts for Jews. After the war, the Church helped spirit out Balkan Nazis and their cash. The Church is a very sick organization, intent only on its own power. It has never repudiated any of its actions during the war.

Cornwell's book is dead on, despite attempts by Catholics to smear it. <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/6260" target="_blank">Max Kolbe</a>, although he apparently attempted to save individual Jews, believed the anti-Semitic propaganda of his time, for example, buying the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a real document, and accusing Judaism of being behind atheistic communism. His real achievement was his ability to see others as human beings despite 2,000 years of Church propaganda and despite coming from an anti-Semitic society. That is a genuine advance, and one completely against the tenets of the Church he supported.

Vorkosigan

sullster · 12-18-2002, 02:11 PM

Alright. I started this topic and would really like some more discussion on Bernie the Pimp and what is going to happen with this scandal.

To Sister Gemma: Enough already with these pictures and all your little statements. Go start your own thread or say something about Bernie and the scandal.

To Amos: Bullfeathers! Your dear child raping priests are NOT victims of a hypocratic(sic) puritanical society. Your analysis of American society is simplistic and only runs on the tracks of your gonzo catholicism. Your bloody clergy are the ones who claim to be celibate and other-worldly. They are not victims of society, they are sick sexual predators who actually do the victimization. Your holy church is a force of corruption in society and indeed is full of hypocracy.

I find it outrageous that Bernie is not expelled from the church. Exactly what do you have to do to get kicked out? Are there no moral standards in the catholic church? Is it really nothing but nihilism? I wonder.

Gemma Therese · 12-18-2002, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vorkosigan:
Gemma,

during the Facist period prior to and in WWII, the Church supported Facism in every country where it appeared. It dismantled the opposition to . It supported Franco, and cut deals with and Mussolini to advance its interests in those nations. It supplied a cleric to act as dictator of the p state of Slovakia. Clerics ran camps, and cooperated and led hunts for Jews. After the war, the Church helped spirit out Balkan s and their cash. The Church is a very sick organization, intent only on its own power. It has never repudiated any of its actions during the war.

Cornwell's book is on, despite attempts by Catholics to smear it. <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/6260" target="_blank">Max Kolbe</a>, although he apparently attempted to save individual Jews, believed the anti-Semitic of his time, for example, buying the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a real document, and ...

Vorkosigan

You know, I've heard anti-Catholicism is the anti-Senitism of liberals. The more I hang out here, the more I see this.

Gemma Therese

The Admiral · 12-18-2002, 03:08 PM

Gemma

Why do you hang out here?

The Admiral

Gemma Therese · 12-18-2002, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Admiral:
Gemma

Why do you hang out here?

The Admiral

Entertainment, mainly.

12-18-2002, 03:26 PM

Entertainment is watching grown men and women take orders from a senile old man while eating magical crackers, drinking blood and talking to imaginary creatures that supposedly live in the sky.

That's entertainment, Gemma.

Wyz_sub10 · 12-18-2002, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemma Therese:


You know, I've heard anti-Catholicism is the anti-Senitism of liberals. The more I hang out here, the more I see this.

Gemma Therese

I'm not anti-Catholic, but I think the Catholic church has let burn a lot of fires that it could have extinguished much sooner.

I have no doubt that "anti-Catholics" frequent this site, but do not mistake criticism of the Catholic church's policies and or dogma as a crticism of Catholics.

12-18-2002, 03:33 PM

Hate the religion, not the religionist.

12-18-2002, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Wyz_sub10:


I just want to clarify that the remarks you quoted were galiel's and not mine.

You are correct, sorry, you just quoted them.

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12-18-2002, 01:57 PM	#92
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Gemma, during the Facist period prior to and in WWII, the Church supported Facism in every country where it appeared. It dismantled the opposition to Hitler. It supported Franco, and cut deals with Hitler and Mussolini to advance its interests in those nations. It supplied a cleric to act as dictator of the rump state of Slovakia. Clerics ran death camps, and cooperated and led hunts for Jews. After the war, the Church helped spirit out Balkan Nazis and their cash. The Church is a very sick organization, intent only on its own power. It has never repudiated any of its actions during the war. Cornwell's book is dead on, despite attempts by Catholics to smear it. <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/6260" target="_blank">Max Kolbe</a>, although he apparently attempted to save individual Jews, believed the anti-Semitic propaganda of his time, for example, buying the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a real document, and accusing Judaism of being behind atheistic communism. His real achievement was his ability to see others as human beings despite 2,000 years of Church propaganda and despite coming from an anti-Semitic society. That is a genuine advance, and one completely against the tenets of the Church he supported. Vorkosigan

12-18-2002, 02:11 PM	#93
sullster Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North of Boston Posts: 1,392	Alright. I started this topic and would really like some more discussion on Bernie the Pimp and what is going to happen with this scandal. To Sister Gemma: Enough already with these pictures and all your little statements. Go start your own thread or say something about Bernie and the scandal. To Amos: Bullfeathers! Your dear child raping priests are NOT victims of a hypocratic(sic) puritanical society. Your analysis of American society is simplistic and only runs on the tracks of your gonzo catholicism. Your bloody clergy are the ones who claim to be celibate and other-worldly. They are not victims of society, they are sick sexual predators who actually do the victimization. Your holy church is a force of corruption in society and indeed is full of hypocracy. I find it outrageous that Bernie is not expelled from the church. Exactly what do you have to do to get kicked out? Are there no moral standards in the catholic church? Is it really nothing but nihilism? I wonder.

12-18-2002, 03:08 PM	#95
The Admiral Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Racine, Wi. USA Posts: 768	Gemma Why do you hang out here? The Admiral

12-18-2002, 03:26 PM	#97
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	Entertainment is watching grown men and women take orders from a senile old man while eating magical crackers, drinking blood and talking to imaginary creatures that supposedly live in the sky. That's entertainment, Gemma.

12-18-2002, 03:33 PM	#99
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	Hate the religion, not the religionist.

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