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CALDONIA · 03-18-2003, 03:40 PM

Magus55, consider the Christian God:

God: "I love you! I love you! I love you! Do you love me?

Man: "Well...

God: "You damn well better love me, otherwise, I'll have your ass burn for eternity in the Lake of Fire!"

Magus55 · 03-18-2003, 03:47 PM

Actually its more like:

God: I love you, my child.

Man: Yeah well i don't give a crap about you and your laws!

God: I'm sorry you feel that way, but you must be punished for your crimes.

Man: Yeah yeah i know, let me go there already so i can start my eternal sentence and get away from you!

winstonjen · 03-18-2003, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magus55
Actually its more like:

God: I love you, my child.

Man: Yeah well i don't give a crap about you and your laws!

God: I'm sorry you feel that way, but you must be punished for your crimes.

Man: Yeah yeah i know, let me go there already so i can start my eternal sentence and get away from you!

Sounds fair. I wouldn't want to be near a bloodthirsty evil god in any case.

Entropic_Gnosis · 03-18-2003, 04:17 PM

God: (thundering voice) I am almighty and unknowable!

Man: (rolls eyes) You got the last part right bub.

God: I COMMAND you to love me because i am a jealous and vengeful God.

Man: ok ok ok

(time passes)

God: I am a loving and kind God, who loves all his creations

Man: hold it bub, aren't you the same guy who said you were vengful and jealous?

God: yes

Man: so you are infinitly loveing and forgiving?

God: yes

Man: you are jealous and vengeful and will condemn me to hell if i dont believe?

God: yes

Man: Isn't that a contradiction? Infinite love and vengance?

God: why so it is (with appolgies to Douglass Adams . . .god promptly vanishes in a puff of logic)

Entropic_Gnosis · 03-18-2003, 06:43 PM

poor god, caught up in all this dogma

Debbie T · 03-19-2003, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganymede
Compare:

With Luke 9-27:

That does not look like a reference to the resurection to me

What does it look like to you then?

Debbie T · 03-19-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Spaz
Yeah, my friend just told me today that he knew some jehovah's witnesses that lived down the street from him or something and that at the 2000 new year they sold all their possessions and went to the top of a hill to wait for jesus.

Yes we had a few Christians in the neighborhood talk about selling their house and moving. I asked one so if this whole thing collapses and now you are homeless and your money is useless then what do you do? I got quite a song and dance routine on that one. My brother-in-law and sister stocked up on guns and they still have a large safe full of guns and ammo. They bought horses and had one bedroom stock piled with food. It was amazing to watch the fear of Christians.

I thought we would get a few years worth of silence on the doom and gloom but

it has started back up again. How quickly they forget, worse yet I think they thrive on it!

Rhea · 03-19-2003, 12:21 PM

Now wait a minute. It just struck me. Why would you stockpile anything?

Is this another case of Christians doing their level best to avoid meeting their creator?

What's the deal? If you die before riding out the "end times" in your human body, you miss your window to join god? Why would you go to so much effort to avoid dying, when dying is what takes you to God?

Totally confused.
Anyone?
(P.S. Bueller was NOT in class that day. Watch it again, LOL)

Fiach · 03-19-2003, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Rhea
Now wait a minute. It just struck me. Why would you stockpile anything?

I'll bet they can't answer that without admitting that humans have an "instinctual" drive to survive. Why? It is a survival trait honed by evolution. That is the only explanation that makes sense. Otherwise, dying then going to heaven, should logically cause the Christian to "turn the other cheek" and offer no self-defence to a lethal threat.

Is this another case of Christians doing their level best to avoid meeting their creator?

I think it is a case of Christians doing their best to avoid real death and permanent loss of sentience.

What's the deal? If you die before riding out the "end times" in your human body, you miss your window to join god? Why would you go to so much effort to avoid dying, when dying is what takes you to God?

To avoid their deep fear of there being no creator there to greet them, and of their not being there either. Permanent nothingness.

Totally confused.
Anyone?

You are not confused. You are asking the rhetorical question that displays your logical thinking on the issue. The theists are the ones who are confused, and they resort to endless repeating of daft Bible verses in a pathetic attempt to avoid facing the more obvious reality.

(P.S. Bueller was NOT in class that day. Watch it again, LOL) [/B]

Fiach

Debbie T · 03-19-2003, 04:39 PM

Yes Fiach and Rhea amazing isn't it?

So when Magus tells me I am the one to be afraid, I look at where the fear really is. Christians are afraid of dying; if they weren't they would have no need to believe in the afterlife.

I ain't afraid of no guosts, and I ain't afraid of no end times, rapture or hell either. They are just a figment of the boogey man in the closet's imagination.

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Debbie T Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Washington the state Posts: 406	Re: Good Question Yes Fiach and Rhea amazing isn't it? So when Magus tells me I am the one to be afraid, I look at where the fear really is. Christians are afraid of dying; if they weren't they would have no need to believe in the afterlife. I ain't afraid of no guosts, and I ain't afraid of no end times, rapture or hell either. They are just a figment of the boogey man in the closet's imagination.

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03-18-2003, 03:40 PM	#131
CALDONIA Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunnyvale,CA Posts: 371	Magus55, consider the Christian God: God: "I love you! I love you! I love you! Do you love me? Man: "Well... God: "You damn well better love me, otherwise, I'll have your ass burn for eternity in the Lake of Fire!"

03-18-2003, 03:47 PM	#132
Magus55 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 7,204	Actually its more like: God: I love you, my child. Man: Yeah well i don't give a crap about you and your laws! God: I'm sorry you feel that way, but you must be punished for your crimes. Man: Yeah yeah i know, let me go there already so i can start my eternal sentence and get away from you!

03-18-2003, 04:17 PM	#134
Entropic_Gnosis Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Library Posts: 372	God: (thundering voice) I am almighty and unknowable! Man: (rolls eyes) You got the last part right bub. God: I COMMAND you to love me because i am a jealous and vengeful God. Man: ok ok ok (time passes) God: I am a loving and kind God, who loves all his creations Man: hold it bub, aren't you the same guy who said you were vengful and jealous? God: yes Man: so you are infinitly loveing and forgiving? God: yes Man: you are jealous and vengeful and will condemn me to hell if i dont believe? God: yes Man: Isn't that a contradiction? Infinite love and vengance? God: why so it is (with appolgies to Douglass Adams . . .god promptly vanishes in a puff of logic)

03-18-2003, 06:43 PM	#135
Entropic_Gnosis Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Library Posts: 372	poor god, caught up in all this dogma

03-19-2003, 12:21 PM	#138
Rhea Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Recluse Posts: 9,040	Now wait a minute. It just struck me. Why would you stockpile anything? Is this another case of Christians doing their level best to avoid meeting their creator? What's the deal? If you die before riding out the "end times" in your human body, you miss your window to join god? Why would you go to so much effort to avoid dying, when dying is what takes you to God? Totally confused. Anyone? (P.S. Bueller was NOT in class that day. Watch it again, LOL)

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