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Sauron · 07-22-2003, 04:58 PM

I guess blaming Tenet didn't work; almost backfired, actually. So let's find another fool that'll commit ritual sucide to cover Dubya' stupid ass.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?nav=hptop_tb

Quote:

Bush Aide Takes Blame for Iraq Uranium Flap

By Tom Raum
The Associated Press
Tuesday, July 22, 2003; 6:23 PM

Stephen Hadley, President Bush's deputy national security adviser, on Tuesday became the second administration official to apologize for a role in allowing a tainted intelligence report on Iraq's nuclear ambitions to find its way into Bush's State of the Union address.

Hadley, in a rare on-the-record session with reporters, said that he had received two memos from the CIA and a phone call from agency Director George Tenet last October raising objections to an allegation that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium ore from Africa to use in building nuclear weapons.

As a result, Hadley said the offending passage was excised from a speech on Iraq the president gave in Cincinnati last Oct. 7. But Hadley suggested that details from the memos and phone call had slipped from his attention as the State of the Union was being put together.

"The high standards the president set were not met," Hadley said. He said he apologized to the president on Monday.

Krieger · 07-22-2003, 05:10 PM

In related news, Howard Dean and Joseph Lieberman call for George Tenet's resignation.

I guess everybody is having fun beating up on the fall guy.

Godbert · 07-22-2003, 06:11 PM

Stephen Hadley? Never heard of him.
Considering how extremely critical the US media are of the government they could just as well have made a name up - say Charles Gunterberg, said it was all his fault and got away with it, probably with Bill O'Reilly stressing how he always mistrusted that Gunterberg guy and 56% of americans silently nodding to themselves thinking 'yes, that's true I should have known it was Gunterberg'

07-22-2003, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Godbert
Stephen Hadley? Never heard of him.
Considering how extremely critical the US media are of the government they could just as well have made a name up - say Charles Gunterberg, said it was all his fault and got away with it, probably with Bill O'Reilly stressing how he always mistrusted that Gunterberg guy and 56% of americans silently nodding to themselves thinking 'yes, that's true I should have known it was Gunterberg'

:notworthy

S2Focus · 07-22-2003, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Godbert
Stephen Hadley? Never heard of him.
Considering how extremely critical the US media are of the government they could just as well have made a name up - say Charles Gunterberg, said it was all his fault and got away with it, probably with Bill O'Reilly stressing how he always mistrusted that Gunterberg guy and 56% of americans silently nodding to themselves thinking 'yes, that's true I should have known it was Gunterberg'

Hadley reports directly to Condi Rice, so he's *very* close to the President. But interestingly enough, Bush doesn't seem to be concerned about Hadley completely f***ing up and making Bush look like a liar or fool in front of the whole world. According to the evening news, Bush expressed complete confidence in Hadley, and now considers the matter closed.

<rhetorical-mode>
Now folks, what if Gore were president and this all happened on his watch?
</rhetorical-mode>

jman0904 · 07-22-2003, 07:01 PM

It wouldn't. Probably because
a) He would have gone to the UN and let them resolve it
b) He'd be too indecisive to go after ANY country that may or may not have had any ties to Terrorism or WMDs.
c) Too busy working on his Lockbox legislation to notice a bunch of burning buildings.
d) He would go after Saudi instead of Iraq (Not necessarily w/ the military, but diplomatically, etc)

Any other ideas?

S2Focus · 07-22-2003, 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by jman0904
It wouldn't. Probably because
a) He would have gone to the UN and let them resolve it
b) He'd be too indecisive to go after ANY country that may or may not have had any ties to Terrorism or WMDs.
c) Too busy working on his Lockbox legislation to notice a bunch of burning buildings.
d) He would go after Saudi instead of Iraq (Not necessarily w/ the military, but diplomatically, etc)

Any other ideas?

Here's one:

He would have hired national security advisers who are smart enough to know how to do a f***ing Google search -- so he would have known from the get-go that the Niger documents were forged (unlike the current dumbs**t in chief).

Edited to add:

Note to the clue-impaired: As soon as the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) investigators received copies of the Niger documents from the Bush administration, they quickly determined that the documents were forgeries by doing a few Google searches. And It should be noted that the Bush Administration chumps had these documents in their possession for *months* before they turned them over to the IAEA.

paul30 · 07-23-2003, 08:44 AM

I wonder if people will ever notice that nothing, but NOTHING, is ever Bush's fault.

It's always somebody else.

This is classic alcoholic dynamics.

simian · 07-23-2003, 09:02 AM

I don't fault this Hadley guy too much. I have been the rusty cog before. Bringing up inconveniet facts gets you yelled at, perhaps even the threat of firing if you bring it up "the next time." And, if you are getting yelled at, there is no paper trail. Memos stating he brought up the issue before seem to exist - my guess (complete guess) is that he was ordered to shut the hell up. Hence, no objections in the state of the union address.

Simian

jman0904 · 07-23-2003, 10:33 AM

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07-22-2003, 05:10 PM	#2
Krieger Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ... Posts: 2,191	In related news, Howard Dean and Joseph Lieberman call for George Tenet's resignation. I guess everybody is having fun beating up on the fall guy.

07-22-2003, 06:11 PM	#3
Godbert Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: southern california Posts: 779	Stephen Hadley? Never heard of him. Considering how extremely critical the US media are of the government they could just as well have made a name up - say Charles Gunterberg, said it was all his fault and got away with it, probably with Bill O'Reilly stressing how he always mistrusted that Gunterberg guy and 56% of americans silently nodding to themselves thinking 'yes, that's true I should have known it was Gunterberg'

07-22-2003, 07:01 PM	#6
jman0904 Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oregon, the new Least Religious State in America Posts: 453	It wouldn't. Probably because a) He would have gone to the UN and let them resolve it b) He'd be too indecisive to go after ANY country that may or may not have had any ties to Terrorism or WMDs. c) Too busy working on his Lockbox legislation to notice a bunch of burning buildings. d) He would go after Saudi instead of Iraq (Not necessarily w/ the military, but diplomatically, etc) Any other ideas?

07-23-2003, 08:44 AM	#8
paul30 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA USA Posts: 870	I wonder if people will ever notice that nothing, but NOTHING, is ever Bush's fault. It's always somebody else. This is classic alcoholic dynamics.

07-23-2003, 09:02 AM	#9
simian Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 1,924	I don't fault this Hadley guy too much. I have been the rusty cog before. Bringing up inconveniet facts gets you yelled at, perhaps even the threat of firing if you bring it up "the next time." And, if you are getting yelled at, there is no paper trail. Memos stating he brought up the issue before seem to exist - my guess (complete guess) is that he was ordered to shut the hell up. Hence, no objections in the state of the union address. Simian

07-23-2003, 10:33 AM	#10
jman0904 Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Oregon, the new Least Religious State in America Posts: 453

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