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Old 05-13-2002, 04:29 AM   #1
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Post Ethnic Diversity

It may be that this post has been answered before,
and it might seem like some silly questions, but there are a couple of questions for which I have never really gotten a satisfactory answer.

In the Biblical account of the "fall from grace"
and the banishment of Adam and Eve from the garden, they become self aware and then they hide their nakedness from god with clothing.

So now we supposedly have the father and mother of all humankind understanding and covering their nudity. Why then do we still have even today certain segments of the human population running around naked and seemingly unaware of their nudity?
It would seem that self awareness passed on from A&E would have resulted in modesty and the covering of the body.
Yet there are many tribes who exhibit no modesty
and are not driven by self awareness to cover themselves.

Another question:
If the only life on earth came from Noah and his family after the flood wiped out humanity, then why is there such ethnic diversity in the human population of earth?
If all of mankind are descendants of Noah and his family, how could mankind have developed such drastically different facial features, skin coloring, height and weight common to particular
races?

Did the ethnic diversity of mankind develop through mutations?
If as biblical accounts say Noah and his family were the only humans left alive, why is the world not populated by Noah clones?

I have yet to see an acceptable explanation of where the ethnicity of the human population would have developed, with only one gene pool from which to draw.

I am sure these are old questions that have many explanations, but are there any "valid" explanations?

Were there other survivors who added genetic material to the line of Noah?
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<strong>It may be that this post has been answered before,
and it might seem like some silly questions, but there are a couple of questions for which I have never really gotten a satisfactory answer.

In the Biblical account of the "fall from grace"
and the banishment of Adam and Eve from the garden, they become self aware and then they hide their nakedness from god with clothing.

So now we supposedly have the father and mother of all humankind understanding and covering their nudity. Why then do we still have even today certain segments of the human population running around naked and seemingly unaware of their nudity?
It would seem that self awareness passed on from A&E would have resulted in modesty and the covering of the body.
Yet there are many tribes who exhibit no modesty
and are not driven by self awareness to cover themselves.

Another question:
If the only life on earth came from Noah and his family after the flood wiped out humanity, then why is there such ethnic diversity in the human population of earth?
If all of mankind are descendants of Noah and his family, how could mankind have developed such drastically different facial features, skin coloring, height and weight common to particular
races?

Did the ethnic diversity of mankind develop through mutations?
If as biblical accounts say Noah and his family were the only humans left alive, why is the world not populated by Noah clones?

I have yet to see an acceptable explanation of where the ethnicity of the human population would have developed, with only one gene pool from which to draw.

I am sure these are old questions that have many explanations, but are there any "valid" explanations?

Were there other survivors who added genetic material to the line of Noah?
Wolf




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I do not think the bible suggest some universal modesty should be present among humans. I think you are trying to read far too much into one passage.

With respect to ethnic diversity, current naturalistic explanations for human kind face the same problem. It is my understanding that current research suggests that the entire human race is descended from a single woman. This research involves mitrochondrial (sp?) DNA. So whatever problem the bible has explaining how diversity resulted, popular science has the same problem.

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Originally posted by sighhswolf:
It may be that this post has been answered before,
and it might seem like some silly questions, but there are a couple of questions for which I have never really gotten a satisfactory answer.
In the Biblical account of the "fall from grace"
and the banishment of Adam and Eve from the garden, they become self aware and then they hide their nakedness from god with clothing.

So now we supposedly have the father and mother of all humankind understanding and covering their nudity. Why then do we still have even today certain segments of the human population running around naked and seemingly unaware of their nudity?
It would seem that self awareness passed on from A&E would have resulted in modesty and the covering of the body.
Yet there are many tribes who exhibit no modesty
and are not driven by self awareness to cover themselves.

Another question:
If the only life on earth came from Noah and his family after the flood wiped out humanity, then why is there such ethnic diversity in the human population of earth?
If all of mankind are descendants of Noah and his family, how could mankind have developed such drastically different facial features, skin coloring, height and weight common to particular
races?

Did the ethnic diversity of mankind develop through mutations?
If as biblical accounts say Noah and his family were the only humans left alive, why is the world not populated by Noah clones?

I have yet to see an acceptable explanation of where the ethnicity of the human population would have developed, with only one gene pool from which to draw.

I am sure these are old questions that have many explanations, but are there any "valid" explanations?

Were there other survivors who added genetic material to the line of Noah?
Wolf





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I do not think the bible suggest some universal modesty should be present among humans. I think you are trying to read far too much into one passage.

Point accepted.

With respect to ethnic diversity, current naturalistic explanations for human kind face the same problem. It is my understanding that current research suggests that the entire human race is descended from a single woman. This research involves mitrochondrial (sp?) DNA. So whatever problem the bible has explaining how diversity resulted, popular science has the same problem.

I'm sorry but I do not see that science has that problem.
The explanation of science for diversity is perfectly acceptable to me.
It is not outside of the realm of reality to say that there was a common strand of genetic material that can be traced back to a single source.
Thousands of years of adaptation of the species, to differing enviornments caused by migratory patterns and a nomadic existence, changes in diet, changes in mental capacities that would have led to physical changes are all perfectly acceptable explanations for the ethnic diversity of humankind.
Science does not say that all of humanity are descendents of one geneticly mature ethnically set origin, that emerged as the lone survivors
of a cataclysmic event that wiped out all life on the planet except for those lifeforms on the arc with Noah and his family.

Instead they say that the DNA is tracable back to a single source that all humans share.
Now that in itself is not an explanation of diversity just a single "Shared" genetic strand.

Wolf


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<strong>It is my understanding that current research suggests that the entire human race is descended from a single woman.</strong>
Well without checking any hesitation I can name at least three I am descended from. A little bit of thought will show that you are descended from millions of women.

Familly trees are always portrayed as a single source with an ever expanding progeny. Quite the reverse is true. With yourself as the origin, it shouldn't come as a surprise to find that if you go far enough back you will discover at least one of them is common to all of us.

Then have another little think. By definition you are clearly descended from her own maternal ancestors too, so that's more than one again.

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There is a theory out there that prior to a supervolcanic explosion about 74,000 years ago that caused a volcanic winter the human race was much more diverse then it is now – gentically speaking and because of this cataclysmic explosion most of the world’s population was killed and only about 10,000 or so people world wide are theorized to have survived and it is from these people that we are descended from.

The Noah flood story happened about 4,000 –6,000 years ago?? There is no way we could see the kind of diversity we see now within 4,000 or so years of evolutionary growth descending from one very small and genetically similar family. The Noah story brings about a whole slew of unsettling problems, including this one.

And as far as science is concerned it’s answers to the questions about the origins of life are ever evolving as it discovers new information, therefore adapting and even radically changing when presented with credible and verifiable evidence – unlike the bible that is set in stone and can easily be turned on it’s ear in regards to what we know and can prove about life on Earth.


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