Magus55

Yes MrDarwin, because if you became a true believer - you would no longer be blasphemnig the holy spirit with unbelief.

MrDarwin

Okay, so going from unbeliever to believer is what it takes, right up to the millisecond before I die, and bingo! I'm saved. I can live my entire life as an atheist (or worse) as long as I make that death-bed conversion! But after I die...? Assuming I have any kind of awareness or consciousness after I die (which I don't expect I will), is it too late to change my mind then?

Infidelettante

No Magus, that is not the problem. The problem is that we, not being blinded by the emotional cataract of faith understand the nature of your God all to well. It is the nature of Your God to permit millions of his children to starve to death and blame it on free will. It is the nature of your God to allow wars to ravage his planet and blame it on demons . It is the nature of your God to let people die horrible, painful deaths and blame it on them. It is the nature of your God to send people to hell bacause they can't belive in a God who is stupid enough to put things like the knowledge of good and evil in fruit. It is the nature of your God to be surprised when someone eats the friggin fruit. It is the nature of your God to become a man, do very good things for a very little while and then tell everyone he was going to leave but he'd be right back and then NOT come back for 2000 years and counting. It is the nature of your God to make heaven for the angels and Earth for people and hell for Satan and then let hell be the default
location for non-christians. It is the nature of your God to condemn human beings to eternal torture bacause he can't think of anywhere else to put them. Tell me, do I understand the nature of your God? The question is...do you understand the nature of your God.

JT

winstonjen

To hell with god forgiving us. Why should WE forgive GOD?

Chad

How does "sin" cause injury to a perfect being that this being needs to punisher the sinner at all?

Cipher Girl

So Magus, God sends someone to an eternity of pain for simply being the way he created them? Talk about a meanie.

Magus55

He created you with the ability to choose. God didn't create you and force you to reject and hate him.

You are making the decision to not believe and reject him.

lpetrich

That's because this being supposedly has an impossibly thin skin.

Actually, there is Biblical precedent for being thin-skinned:

When Moses sees his people worshipping that Golden Calf, he gets furious and breaks the Tablets of the Law.

Elisha sics two bears on some little boys who had teased him about his baldness.

Jesus Christ has a big Temple temper tantrum, calling the merchants there "thieves".

Jesus Christ curses a fig tree that had not had figs because it was out of season.

lpetrich

I'm a programmer -- a creator of computer programs. And I NEVER act that way toward my creations.

I don't set a program up to do something and then moan and groan when that program does it.

oriecat

brettc asked a question about that stuff here

What do you think?