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11-15-2002, 01:05 PM | #1 |
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A question for the astrophysicists out there.
A few days ago, I was thinking about how the matter in the universe will probably break down into its component particles, and eventually energy. I then wondered if it might be converted back to matter eventually for some reason, and if so, if this might have been what happened in the big bang.
If matter was not initially packed into a singularity, but instead scattered across the universe, is it possible that the big bang was actually energy converting into matter on a large scale, and the expansion of the universe is caused entirely by dark energy/cosmological constant? (I don’t know if this is a valid theory, but I don’t see any glaring contradictions with what I know so far.) |
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I'm not sure quite what you're saying here. Sounds rather like a cyclical universe, which has been kicked around physics circles for a long time. Big Bang, expanding universe, then gravity pulls it back in, eventually resulting in another Big Bang.
The decomposition of matter into energy is basically accepted as well. It just takes a long, LONG time for some particles to do it. As I understand it, it's entropy, so energy doesn't spontaneously 'compose' back into energy (not without good reason, anyway). I could be wrong, though. It's been awhile since I've poked my nose into that corner of science. Been focusing on evolutionary biology and logic theory for the most part. |
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Here is a website that specializes on the area if you are interested. They even have an open forum
<a href="http://www.superstringtheory.com/experm/index.html" target="_blank">The Official String Theory Website </a> |
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A small problem with your hypothesis is that it makes a distiction between matter and energy; there is none. Matter is simply a form of energy. Massless particles (which I surmise would fall into your energy category) are no diferent from massive particles (except that they are unaffected by the Higgs field if it exists). They have momentum, they are affected by gravity, and they act gravitationally on other 'stuff'. They have no rest energy, but that doesn't matter because they always travel at the speed of light. If the cosmological 'constant' continues at its present value (a conservative assumption because Quintessence predicts that it may get larger), the universe will expand ever-faster. Here is a brief future history of the universe with a constant cosmological 'constant' (1). Times are given in years from now. 5x10^9: the Sun dies 7x10^11: the universe cools to the Gibbons-Hawking temperature (the lowest possible temperature due to vacuum energy) 5x10^12: contact is lost with everything beyond our cluster of galaxies - they receed faster than light 10^14: star formation ends 10^15: expansion causes planets to leave their parent stars 10^30: black holes consume the vast majority of matter in galaxies 10^37: galactic fuel exhausted at current rate of consumption (but stars died long ago) 10^65: quantum tunneling 'liquifies' matter (it decays into elementary) particles 10^85: the few electrons and positrons close enough together bind into a new kind of matter 10^98: the last black holes evaporate Remember that as the universe expands, the deceleration parameter decreases (2, 3) due to decreasing energy density (dark energy is always of uniform density (2) ). It is already negative (2, 4, 6), so this will mean that the universe, even with a constant cosmological 'constant', will expand faster and faster. Of course, we don't know the details of dark energy yet. But it is almost certain that it comes from vacuum energy. This energy is always gravitationally repulsive (2, 4, 5), so I am unaware of any mechanism that could cause it to reverse short of a drastic change in the laws of physics. According to Jeremiah Ostriker and Paul Steinhardt, Quintessence (a variable cosmological 'constant' that causes slightly slower cosmological acceleration than a true cosmological constant) may cause the acceleration to increase, remain constant, decrease, or switch off, but cannot reverse itself (2). Both the cosmological constant and Quintessence theories preclude a collapse. (1) "The Fate of Life in the Universe", Scientific American, vol. 12, no. 2: Cosmology special issue. Krauss, Lawrence M. and Starkman, Glenn D. (2) "The Quintessential Universe", Scientific American, vol. 12, no. 2: Cosmology special issue. Ostriker, Jeremiah P. and Steinhardt, Paul J. (3) Universe, Fifth Edition. Kaufmann, William J. III and Freedman, Roger A. W.H. Freeman & Co., New York, 1999. (4) "Cosmological Antigravity", Scientific American, vol. 12, no. 2: Cosmology special issue. (5) University Physics with Modern Physics, 10th Edition. Young, Hugh D.; Freedman, Roger A.; Sandin, T.R.; Ford, A. Lewis. Addison-Wesley-Longman, 2000. (6) "Why Cosmologists Believe the Universe is Accelerating." Turner, Michael S. <a href="http://www.arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9904049" target="_blank">Available online at the arXiv e-print archive</a>. [ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: Gauge Boson ] [ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: Gauge Boson ] [ November 20, 2002: Message edited by: Gauge Boson ]</p> |
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So you're basically saying that massless particles, e.g. energy, could only be transformed into massive particles, e.g. matter, if they were in close proximity to each other, and since dark energy exerts a greater influence than gravity, the universe will be unlikely to attain a high enough density for this to occur. Is this an accurate summary?
By the way, even though it looks like my hypothesis is wrong, I’d still like to clarify a few points.
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It is worth noting, however, that a couple of decades ago dark energy was never thought of, except when quoting Eistein saying that the cosmological constant was his "biggest blunder" (he invented it to make the universe static and eternal by perfectly countering the gravitational pull of energy in the universe). So it is still possible that we might someday discover an unknown mechanism that could cause partial recollapse, though obviously unlikely. Unless the laws of physics drastically change, however, the recollapse would need to be to the point that the universe would no longer be a statistical system. This is because the laws of thermodynamics (in this case, the second law) only apply to statistical systems. Without this, entropy would remain high, possibly at its maximum (the "heat death", though a cosmological constant prevents this if the expansion reaches a high enough speed). This leads us to another question: would the universe itself have to recollapse, or only the particles in it? Only the 'stuff', because only the observable universe matters. This might have a different effect on the resulting universe, though, if spacetime exists independently of 'stuff' (we really don't know the answer to that one yet ). BTW, I'm glad to see someone asking tough questions. Thanks. |
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