tgamble

I'm looking for a good review of this book but have been unable to find it. I think a while back NCSE did a review of maybe 30 books that were being considered for schools that included it but I haven't been able to find it.

What kind of creationist is he? ID? OEC? YEC?

His argument seems to be based on the no new information claim.

Thanks.

WinAce

<a href="http://home.wxs.nl/~gkorthof/kortho36.htm" target="_blank">Not by Chance: Shattering the Modern Myth of Evolution</a> review

theyeti

In addition to Korthof's excellent (as usual) review, here's some other stuff to check out:

<a href="http://www.nctimes.net/~mark/bibl_science/spetner.htm" target="_blank">A Lost Chance</a> -- another review.

<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=musgrave+spetner&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=FGo6PMD%2BdPKrTNJD7v%2BTDCrP%2BdBE%404ax.co m&rnum=3" target="_blank">T.O. Post</a> -- by Ian Musgrave.

<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=talkorigins+musgrave+spetner&hl=en&lr=&ie =UTF-8&selm=0%3DRbOvtrBoJQ08U9YYX9M%2Bsm6L18%404ax.com& rnum=1" target="_blank">T.O. Post</a> -- also be Musgrave.

<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3c621f7f.12227990@news.mira.net" target="_blank">More Musgrave in T.O.</a> -- this is the best one; if you don't read any of the others, read this.

<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=musgrave+spetner&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UT F-8&selm=Gw8IPSAw3rK3vo9J3EjRnws108ZF%404ax.com&rnum =11" target="_blank">Another one</a>

Simply put, Spetner's information argument is inconsistent and irrelevant, and even if it weren't, it's still wrong.

Spetner isn't a YEC. I don't think he's a OEC either, but he believes in some sort of "guided" evolutionary process. He belongs to some sort of Orthodox Jewish sect.

theyeti

tgamble

Thanks! He sounds like a thestic evolutionist.

theyeti

I'm not sure exactly. What it is that he believes is certainly incompatible with YEC (which doesn't stop them from vigorously promoting him), but is pretty hostile to what is usually considered TE. TE is not thought of as being contrary to evolutionary theory in any way.

Here's from another <a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jewish+spetner+group:talk.origins&hl=en&l r=&ie=UTF-8&selm=4dHwOh7Gdp28g0pgUv5EtMIHH8la%404ax.com&rnum =2" target="_blank">Musgrave post</a>:

theyeti

tgamble

"Physicist Dr. Lee M. Spetner's new book has biologists and geneticists across the country praising this book as one of the most serious challenges to the modern theory of evolution. "Dr. Spetner has an extraordinary ability to present complex mathematical, statistical, and biological issues in a comprehensible manner."--Rabbi Joseph Elias, The Jewish Observer "It is certainly the most rational attack on evolution that I have ever read"--Professor E. Simon, Department of Biology, Purdue University"

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1880582244/qid=1035737101/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/t/104-0522941-3783949?v=glance" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/</a>

Obviously Amazon wants to sell books but I can't seem quoteing out of context. Aside from the ones already given, what other reviews/comments are there? Has his arguments in that book been published or is he to a victim of the evil conspiracy?

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Albion

Oh, he's a physicist, is he? I don't know of many physicists who are such experts on biology that they're qualified to start throwing out major theories.

tgamble

Yeah, that's what I said. I was told he was a Bio which apparently makes it ok. I was also told that he spent years teaching information theory at John Hopkin's university.

theyeti

Which country would that be? Fantasia?

RufusAtticus

More like, Saudia Arabia and Iran.