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Old 02-04-2003, 03:26 PM   #11
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The Old T is best read (if not as pure fiction) as political propaganda by one supernatural entity against another. When read as such it becomes clear that Yahweh is a megalomaniac who desires obedience to his will and glory above all else. The fact that Satan was able to rebel against him proves that Yahweh is deluded about his power. Clearly, Satan is just an independent thinker who wanted to find his own path and invites us to come with him.

Given a choice, I choose Satan!
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I have no idea what you (Amos) just said. You may want to check up on your psychological ideas though.
It is really easy and just means that the God/satan conflict exists in our own mind. Lets understand here that if I suggest that we have the ability to become God and that only "realization" is needed for this to become known to us, the interaction between God and us(here called satan) is just as real before our realization as it is afterwards.
 
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Given my close ties with Old Scratch he sent me this to deliver to all newspapers. I would like your critique first.

The following editorial was published in the Opinion Section of Hell's Herald Daily News, by Satan, Editor in Chief.

I have been reading various human newspapers from all over the world. I watch CNN, Fox News, Al Jazeera, and the BBC. Every day it is filled with violence, mayhem, rape, murder, child molestation, infanticide, sexual perversion, lying, cheating, stealing, fraud, and a general shytty attitude.

This has been my job for 6000 years in my position as the President/prime minister/king/Pontiff of Hell, otherwise known as Hades, the Underworld, The Bottomless Pit, and Sheffield, etc. God commissioned me to promote evil and lead most if not all of mankind into my domain to burn their ornery little arses off for eternity.

Now I hear of suicide bombings, child molestations, killing women/children/babies, millions of rapes, children being molested by trusted mentors, mass killings (NY, Washington, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine), wars with two sides each having God's support. I am infuriated. Sure, there is more mayhem, perversion, torture, murder, molestation, mass atrocities, and wars than ever in history. But I am not doing any of it.

It is my right to do this kind of shyte. I am being out competed and run out of business by none other than organised religion. Clerics are molesting millions of children. Clerics are exhorting followers to go out and kill women and children. Clerics are urging wars calling them "Holy Wars." Clerics are helping fund terrorist organisations that refuse my contribution because the terrorists work for God.

God's followers and his earthly organisations are usurping all of my promised duties. I have nothing left to do but preside over the Parliament of Hell where the only topic of discussion is temperature regulation. It is as boring as... well...Hell.

There are plenty of war criminals being charged or will be charged by the World Court at The Hague (Milosevic, Osama Bin Laden, Ariel Sharon, Yassir Arafat, several old Nazis, Mullah Omar, Arkan, Saddam Husseine, etc.) But these wankers all kill for God, not for me. George Bush who out gods everyone is going to attack Saddam Husseine who prays daily to Allah. The utter humiliation this causes me!!! Tsk, Tsk.

I am Lucifer Ahriman Satan Sr., aka Old Scratch, not some rank amateur demon. I am the genuine chief fallen angel and father of all evil. I call upon God to reign in his followers, the organised religions, and the clerics especially Muslim Imams and Catholic Priests, and make them stop usurping my duties. Not only are they taking my duties but also their behaviour is more evil than I ever was. THAT IS NOT FAIR.

Restore evil to its rightful dispensers not these rank amateurs now dispensing all of it.

His Dishonourable Dastardliness,

Lucifer A. Satan, Sr.
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Ever considered the Yin/yang concept?
Put this on top of christianity, and it makes sense to have the devil, although deep inside in the middle there is a little flrck of light.
So an entirely evil being is an idea of the mind....





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Ever considered the Yin/yang concept?
Put this on top of christianity, and it makes sense to have the devil, although deep inside in the middle there is a little flrck of light.
So an entirely evil being is an idea of the mind....





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Er, wouldn't that mean there's no absolutely good being either? There is a bit of dark in the light side. Yin and yang are supposed to be equals, neither superior to the other. And I think in Taoism at least you're actually supposed to maintain a balance between the two. I don't know that that works too well with the Christian "purge all evil" idea.
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"Er, wouldn't that mean there's no absolutely good being either?"

Yes.

"There is a bit of dark in the light side. Yin and yang are supposed to be equals, neither superior to the other. And I think in Taoism at least you're actually supposed to maintain a balance between the two. I don't know that that works too well with the Christian "purge all evil" idea.""

It doesn't does it?
Where is the flaw?
The flaw as I see it, is that you can't purge evil. When you realize Tao, you realize what "God" is.

God IS BOTH Yin and Yang.

And as I see it, from this higher vantage point all is Good, not in our traditionally way of thinking "good".

Yin/yang is the rythm of that which Is, sunset and sunrise, forever changing back and forth.





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[BGod IS BOTH Yin and Yang.

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. . . just as "the father and I are one" but not until after redemption. Until then, yin and yang are opposites . . . or at least they are perceives as opposites through which all illusions are first created and later formed. Life is such an illusion and can therefore be maintained by love.

Lets all be lovers for that reason.
 
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". . . just as "the father and I are one""

Yes.

"... but not until after redemption."

What are you waiting for?

"gods kingdom is spread out in the lands, but the peopledo not see it"

We are in the garden of Eden.

"Until then, yin and yang are opposites"

And will always be!

" . . . or at least they are perceives as opposites through which all illusions are first created and later formed. Life is such an illusion and can therefore be maintained by love.

Lets all be lovers for that reason."

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Yes, lets all choose Love!

We have chosen this marvelous illusion, and it is amzing and grand





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". . . just as "the father and I are one""

Yes.

"... but not until after redemption."

What are you waiting for?


Maybe I am just telling you.
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"gods kingdom is spread out in the lands, but the peopledo not see it"

We are in the garden of Eden.


Maybe so but where you see heaven others will see hell and will go to the ends of the world looking for Eden.
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"Until then, yin and yang are opposites"

And will always be!


Only until "the father and I are one." Peace on earth must follow chaos or heaven would be redundant and without heaven love could not be real.
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To choose love is much easier said than done because if we must "choose" love we have already invited satan into our relationship with the source of love (in the love-hate, pleasure- pain dichotomy). It is for this reason that love is blind and needed to bring heaven to earth so that, in time (?) we can unite with the essence of love . . . which is the divine.
 
 

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