spurly

As far as the holiness of God goes, a simple scan through the holy writings will show how our sin puts up a wall that makes fellowship with a holy God impossible.

That's why every time God got closer to us (i.e., the Abrahamic covenant, the tabernacle, Christ, and ultimately one day in heaven), he had to provide a remedy for our sin. The ultimate remedy was, as one poster's name says, christ-on-a-stick.

When the end (which is really a new beginning) finally comes, there will be no sin in the new kingdom, thus there will be nothing to separate us from our Creator and the ultimate lover of our souls.

Kevin

Lobstrosity

Well if you want to help people, perhaps you should strive to be more detailed in your answers when they ask you questions about things. If you answer the questions I ask in a reasonable and convincing matter, maybe you'll help me find God. You see, you found God after a lifetime of searching. Maybe you could help save others the time by actually relating what you found and how you found it. So far, all you've been telling us is what you've discovered, but you've given us no reason to believe you. If you've encountered through a lifetime of searching evidence that has caused you to adopt this position, then why not actually include these justifications along with your claims about God?

scombrid

I'm amazed that an omnipotent being has to work at anything.

Lobstrosity

You'd be surprised. Creating all of the matter in the universe is easy. Keeping Joe from coveting Frank's wife...now that's mighty hard.

oriecat

spurly, according to your post, we already existed and then god created the world and universe and put us in it. Where are you getting this idea? Read Genesis. He created the world first. Then he made us. The question is why did he create the world? It can't be as a cosmic love note for us, when we did not exist.

spurly

I'm sorry my post was hard to understand. He did create the world as a love note to us - before we even existed. He created the world so that when he finally created us, we would know how much we loved him.

He created the love note with us in mind - knowing what he was going to do all along.

Hope that clears up any misunderstanding you might have.

oriecat

If he was gonna love us so much, then why wouldn't he just keep us in heaven with him? If you love someone, do you send them away first to make them prove their love?

Lobstrosity

One more question (I know, I'm just full of them this morning):

Is there other intelligent life out there? Is that even a possibility according to what you believe? The main problems I see with there being intelligent life on other planets is that they will not have the benefit of learning about God from all the religious texts you cite. They wouldn't have any concept of Jesus, so that sort of leaves them high and dry, doesn't it? So if we then assume that there is no intelligent life anywhere else in the universe, why did God create the entire universe? Why didn't he just make the solar system, or perhaps just the Milky Way Galaxy? What good does an entire universe of galaxies and nebulae do us? That would simply be a near-infinity of wasted creation, wouldn't it? Hell, if you believe God created this universe just for Humans, even Pluto can be viewed as a wasted creation. How does the existence of Pluto affect us at all? One main problem I have with Christianity is how egocentric it is with respect to humans. Why should humans be so special in a universe where we are clearly more insignificant than we can even comprehend? If we believe in God, it logically needs to be recognized first-and-foremost as a God of this universe, not simply a God of humans.

spurly

His plan was not to "send us away", but to be here with us. His plan was to have perfect fellowship with us in the earth he created. However, he had to withdraw his actual presence with us in order to protect us, or his pure holiness would have destroyed us.

Kevin

oriecat

Why didn't his pure holiness destroy Adam & Eve? They were all hanging out in the garden together, right?


Lobstrosity, I think those are great questions and I totally agree with you.