pudgyfarmer

To all atheists, I challenge you to a debate concerning objective morality. If you believe in an atheist worldview, then you believe in one of three alternatives to the Christian worldview. The first is that there is no objective morality (standard for right or wrong). This view is obviously false for if there is no standard for right or wrong then murder would not be wrong for it was right in the eyes of the murderer. The second view is that there is an ultimate standard that exists in all mankind apart from God. This view is also false because this standard did not exist in the murder of the last example. The last view is that there is a standard that is not ultimate that has been refined and changed since the beginning of time and will continue to change until the end of time. This standard is in the best interest of the majority. This view has many reasons why it is false. One reason is it changes, so over time murder can become right. This view is also logically invalid. When one holds this view he is committing the fallacy “ad populum”, which is that he believes it to be right because the majority believes it is right.
Therefore it is obvious that the atheist worldview is incorrect.
Please respond. Thank you!

Jagged

You're starting out your argument by telling us what we believe?

Jinto

pudgyfarmer: "Duh, I am the Christian, I make gaint strawman."

WinAce

Humor me. Explain how the existence of a god makes objective morality a timeless moral truth. Take into account all applicable philosophical musings, such as Plato's Euphyphro. If you can manage to show that the existence of a god adds more to morality than the carrot-stick vs. hot iron approach, I'll eat my hat with mayonaisse and soy sauce.

Ensign Steve

I am a moral objectivist and I am an atheist. I do not speak for all atheists. Some believe that morality can be subjective and/or relative. Theism and morality actually have very little to do with each other.

The only moral theory that depends on the existence of a god is called the Divine Command Theory. This is a subjective theory, and very few people, theists and atheists alike, believe anymore that this is a good moral theory. With this theory, using your example, murder would become moral if god made it so. The god of the bible encourages a lot of behaviors that are generally considered to be immoral, like slavery.

Choosing whether to accept a god (and which god to accept) is a moral choice in itself. If one does not have the ability to make a moral choice without appealing to god, how does one choose a god? You're putting the cart before the horse.

Dr. Retard

After all this talk about a "first coz", my knowledge of the Cosby Show tells me that this "challenge" will involve jazz tapdancing:

Chal-LENGE!

Alonzo Fyfe

Tell you what. Rather than having everybody repeat what they have already been writing, go to this thread on
subjective morality where you can read what atheists actually believe and their reasons for rejecting certain options.

Shake

It appears we have another drive-by trolling in progress.

DNFTT!

Ensign Steve

That's the second time I've seen that. What is it?

Alonzo Fyfe

DNFTT = Do Not Feed The Troll