HelenM

Originally posted by Panta Pei:

"Anyway, I know I say I'm a Christian, but have I ever said I was liberal? You'll get me in trouble...my church is very conservative!"

Surely you jest

About my church? Never!

I was under the distinct impression from your most recent submissions that you were associating with a UU minister for insight.

I don't believe I ever said it was for insight. I wanted to meet him and I wanted to take his course and I just went to say goodbye because he is moving to Massachusetts. (Great - and I just met him...oh well. At least I know it wasn't me since it was already in the works )

I love to learn about things but that doesn't necessarily mean that I have set aside what I have believed for almost 2 decades, does it?

Again, I suppose you can divert your current stance by, once again, vascillating within the ever-evolving HelenSL. I cannot be expected to keep up, however, as I lack omniscience

Actually the problem in the first place was not, lagging behind, but going ahead, beyond my words, and assuming things I had not said.

But - I forgive you - especially since you have a wife who makes you sleep on the sofa sometimes. Evidently you have a hard time behaving well enough to avoid that fate and so that brings out all my compassion

Helen: "Indeed; but I'm not sure what I was thinking of is technically 'fraud'."

I was speaking of christianity and the justification of voicing a dissenting view.

I forgot what this part was about now.

Helen: "I'll await your humble apology regarding wrongly-stating my self-profession "

Yes. You apparently will.

With a smart-alec response like that, it becomes clearer than ever why you end up on the sofa...

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Helen

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Panta Pei

"I don't believe I ever said it was for insight. I wanted to meet him and I wanted to take his course and I just went to say goodbye because he is moving to Massachusetts. "

Yes. I, too, often avoid insight by taking topical courses

"I love to learn about things but that doesn't necessarily mean that I have set aside what I have believed for almost 2 decades, does it?"

Well, you have 'outed' yourself now, HelenSl. No more hiding for you

"But - I forgive you - especially since you have a wife who makes you sleep on the sofa sometimes. Evidently you have a hard time behaving well enough to avoid that fate and so that brings out all my compassion "

Ah, I bask in that loving compassion that has brought up my serious domestic situation carelessly...once, twice...

Perhaps one might perceive a bit of a fixation

"I forgot what this part was about now."

A little bit of something about the topic you started...is this thing on?

"With a smart-alec response like that, it becomes clearer than ever why you end up on the sofa... "

...three times the charm

HelenM

Panta Pei

If it offended you that I teased you about the sofa, I'm sorry.

You're quite right in alluding to this thread having got somewhat off-topic.

I'll have to come back later to follow up on that part of your response where I need to go through and see who said what and why, so as to have a meaningful response. The part that was still on topic, I mean

Have a great day...

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Helen

seebs

People have the right to have non-open debates, or partially-open debates. Freedom of association includes the right to choose not to associate with certain people.

HelenM

Oh, I get it. Your original comment was, in effect "I do not find it immoral to protest against Christianity since I believe it's fraudulent; in fact it is an obligation". Followed by a grin smilie.

Realistically I doubt you'd break the law to 'fulfill this obligation', so I think that, were you being serious, we'd probably be in general agreement on what is appropriate on discussion boards. Regarding entering under false pretences and being disruptive, I mean. I realize that we might post different content due to having different beliefs.

How's that for more of an answer on that one point?

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Helen

The AntiChris

Sure, but is it realistic to do that on the internet, with a virtual open door to the debating room?

Chris

Panta Pei

"If it offended you that I teased you about the sofa, I'm sorry. "

Forgiven

HelenM

Thanks PP

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Helen

seebs

Realism and morality are separate issues. It is *moral* to desire that people not steal from you, but not especially realistic.

I do, however, think that, once you've noticed people's desired boundaries, pushing at them just to be a jerk is almost certainly immoral, and I have no problems with opposing it.

The mere fact that rape is inevitable in human cultures doesn't mean it should be tolerated. I don't think that "registering under a fake name" is *as* wrong, but, in the end, trying to force your way where you're not wanted is probably a Bad Thing, and imposes a substantial burden of justification.

The AntiChris

seebs

Sure, I agree. I was merely questioning how realistic the expectations are that an internet debate can really be "closed".

However, where people may be wanting to defend a fragile point of view from intruders, I can't help feeling that the perception of "just to be a jerk" is very much in the eye of the beholder.

Chris