HelenM

...to register for a bulletin board with the primary objective of causing trouble on it???

(I don't think so)

But, is there a non-theist justification for doing so?

love
Helen

Vorkosigan

It might be, if the board were dedicated to something illegal like murduring abortion doctors or planning mafia hits, or something really sick, like promoting nazism or pedophilia. Would it be legal if you were a policeman on a legitimate law enforcement activity?

Vorkosigan

DRFseven

Yes, to foment change.

babelfish

Helen,

I wouldn't do it, personally. But it's almost like they're asking for it. On the other hand, whoever would do so would ultimately, I believe, hurt themselves more than they would hurt the board.

Although I dislike not being able to defend myself as those Baptists talk about atheists amongst each other, they are not really important enough for me to bother going to such (dishonest) lengths, just for revenge.

As for whether or not it's immoral, I find dishonesty and hypocrisy to be immoral, no matter what form they take.

Panta Pei

"to register for a bulletin board with the primary objective of causing trouble on it???"

Your allegiance betrays you, Helen

As a self-described liberal christian posting on the II, you simply appear disingenuous with this inquiry.

However, since you have not specifically clarified your offense to 'Atheists posting on Christian boards' to 'cause trouble', I will try to give you the benefit of the doubt

Currently, I have enough trouble just keeping the deluded, self-righteous religious sycophants out of my real personal relationships to bother with any more than those who wander into the II, my humble sanctum sanctorum.

PS I do not find it immoral to protest against fraud, in fact, it is an obligation

HelenM

Originally posted by Panta Pei:
Your allegiance betrays you, Helen

Huh?

As a self-described liberal christian posting on the II, you simply appear disingenuous with this inquiry.

Come on, that's not fair. I generally don't 'declare'. I post 'viewpoints' instead

Anyway, I know I say I'm a Christian, but have I ever said I was liberal? You'll get me in trouble...my church is very conservative!

However, since you have not specifically clarified your offense to 'Atheists posting on Christian boards' to 'cause trouble', I will try to give you the benefit of the doubt

I should think so too because if there is one thing I never intended to do here, it was cause trouble! I might have been disruptively posting when I was manic but that wasn't intentional...

If anything I came because I was upset with Christians and thought it likely I'd find sympathetic ears, if you want to know the truth. But then I never quite wanted to air my grievances here, being torn between wanting to be loyal and wanting sympathy Maybe I did anyway and they are buried in the sands of time and in a myriad of rambling not-very-legible posts, way back when .

Currently, I have enough trouble just keeping the deluded, self-righteous religious sycophants out of my real personal relationships to bother with any more than those who wander into the II, my humble sanctum sanctorum.

Fair enough

PS I do not find it immoral to protest against fraud, in fact, it is an obligation :-D

Indeed; but I'm not sure what I was thinking of is technically 'fraud'.

I'll await your humble apology regarding wrongly-stating my self-profession

love
Helen

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HelenM

Yes but in that case, couldn't the administrator be forced to close down AND hand over info about who is registered there? Isn't that how it would be handled?

Even in that case I'm not sure what a policeman going in to 'stir up trouble' would achieve, that's useful.

Anyway I think you know what wasn't quite what I meant! I meant in the case of a board which annoys you but isn't doing anything overtly against the law...

love
Helen

Vorkosigan

You're right, I was just yanking your chain. I don't know. Let me put it this way: if people did not post on Boards to disrupt them, think about how few posters from the Other Side we might get here at Infidels....

Vorkosigan

Talulah

I just wanted to say, because all this discussion is bothering me, that I never intended to 'disrupt' the Baptist Board. I registered, using slightly shady but not untruthful facts, and was declined membership, apparently because I was honest enough to say I wasn't a Baptist, although I didn't say I was an athiest either.

What my motivation was, I am not sure, but I do know it wasn't to disrupt or cause animosity. I had enough of that on the Church of Christ board. To tell the truth, I wanted to discuss doctrinal and social issues with them as I understand a lot where they are coming from and know their mindset, being recently fundamentalist myself. I did not plan on declaring myself to be an atheist or in any other way, plan some 'assult' on them. In addition, I did not plan to lie and say I was a Christian.

Sorry, was just bothered by all this 'morality' posting. Morality is a two way street, and I have problems with my own urges to label those outside of my box, just like Christians do.

The AntiChris

HelenSL

Yes, it's a moral obligation.

The human race has a moral duty to pursue the "truth". Open debate, in all its forms, no matter how troublesome, is an essential component of this pursuit.

It is immoral to suppress open debate.

Chris