Bill Snedden

As a Christian, Tercel is undoubtedly excited by your apparent discovery of heretofore unknown documents authored by Jesus. I'm sure Christian theologians and scholars the world over would share his excitement over such a new and important find.

Tercel is, of course, drawing your attention to the fact that there are no "writings of Jesus Christ", only writings about Jesus Christ. Unless you've actually made such a discovery, you might want to consider amending your article.

Regards,

Bill Snedden

Ganymede

Excellent essay! I'm sure I speak for many here when I say "I could have written it myself"

G

SteveD

Originally posted by Robert Ingersoll

It's been a long time but, when I was a practicing Catholic we were taught it was actually the body and blood of Jesus, not just symbolic.

Steve

Albert Cipriani

Dear Robert I.,
You say:
Symbolically nothing!

You got us confused with Protestants. Can’t blame you, tho. In these end-times even the apostate leadership of what passes for the Catholic Church is doing its best to blur all distinctions. The Pope and his bishops would like you all to think were all just one big happy extended family… that even includes Moslems and Jews

Point is, Catholics really and truly do eat God. That’s why we call it Communion, for we are at that mystic moment in communion with the Godhead. Partaking of the Eucharist is partaking in the living body, blood, soul, and divinity of the God-man Jesus Christ. There is not another Christian religion in this world that will make so outrageous a claim. Even most Catholics no longer believe it.

“Belief” is code for becoming. Have you not noticed how couples who have been married forever tend to look the same? Even dogs, in shape or personality, tend to look like their masters.

That which we know and those whom we know are the underpinnings upon which we hang our beliefs. And where we hang our beliefs is who we become. From knowledge to belief to becoming is one long continuum.

Whether you know it or not or accept it or not, your story as a human being can be abridged to the story of you becoming that which you were not. Knowledge and the beliefs derived therefrom are the two feet upon which you reach the conclusion of that story.

The physical corollary of this human drama of us becoming what we believe is Adel Davis’ quip: “You are what you eat.” We truly are what we eat just as truly as we are what we believe. What better way to express both realities (our physical non-God status and the belief in our divine destiny) than to consume God? That is why He instituted the sacrament of Holy Communion. – Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic

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Amos

Never, never and never even once were you asked to say "amen" in response to "the body of Jesus" but always to "the body of Christ." You further always pronounced the qualifier that you were "not worthy to receive" (3 times pre-Vatican II) which justifies the transubstantiation argument in itself.

SecularFuture

(please forgive for following grammar – I’m in a rush)


Albert Cipriani,
What are you talking about?!

The point I was trying to make was this:
If someone makes a positive claim (there is a god) it is up to the person making the claim to defend / support it. I (the atheist) do not believe in your ‘god claim’, and it is not up to me to prove you’re wrong; it is up to you to prove you’re right.

For example:
If I was to go to a job interview and say “I can type 200wpm!” Would it be up to the manager to prove this statement? No!

The atheist does not carry the burden of proof, and is not make any positive claims about our universe. We only deny the theist’s claim of a god.

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Bill Snedden
In the KJV, I think, there are supposed words from Jesus; some books even have the Jesus passages highlighted.

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Ganymede
Well… WHY DIDN’T YOU?! TOO LAZY?!

SteveD

You're right Amos, the body and blood of Christ.

Thanks,

Steve

Bill Snedden

Of course. However, Jesus didn't write those. They are his alleged words/sayings that someone else wrote down. There is a definite difference between first person and third person point of view. It is therefore inaccurate to refer to "writings of Jesus Christ." One should more appropriately use "words of Jesus Christ", or simply "New Testament" if one also wants to include the document as a whole.

Regards,

Bill Snedden

Albert Cipriani

Amos wrote:
You are correct only if your “never, never and never even once” refers to but the past 40 lousy years. Prior to the impious and stinking-of-heresy innovations implemented under the smoke screen of Vatican II, the formula was: “May the body of our Lord Jesus Christ keep your soul unto life everlasting. Amen.” The communicant remained silent.

In the New Mass the formula is the more ambiguous: “The body of Christ.” With the communicant responding, “Amen.” – Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic 2/3/03
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Amos

Relax Albert, that is just a temporary distraction caused by protestant charismatics. I still have the document that introduced Vatican II and it seemed that they also wanted to arouse some excitement in the Church. That wasn't 40 years was it?