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ax · 06-02-2002, 10:14 PM

Is it fair that a father pushes his child into the
mud,and for him to pick him back up-the child needs to say "sorry"?
Is it fair that we have to repent for being born sinners(exactly how god planned?)Or should we be thank full he(god) flexed his muscles to keep his flock of sheep(us) inline (jesus)? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

ax · 06-02-2002, 11:17 PM

What I'm asking is that the few xians out there should take a step back from the bible and think about god's ethics with what he knew and made the world to be! Have we xians been wrong all these years? surely if god wants me, no.. predestined me to be with him, he'll help me understand these thoughts?(either through you people or himself).
I need help understanding this and am not afraid to admit it.

schu · 06-03-2002, 03:09 AM

Says he is sorry? For 90 some percent of humanity he makes crispy critters of them for eternity. He gives them a sinful nature and then punishes them for it. Why would a humane person need hepl with this? Here is all the help you need. It is bullshit! <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

seebs · 06-03-2002, 08:56 AM

This is based on a very simplistic, and probably wrong, interpretation of the Christian faith. Enough of the premises are not the premises used by the Christian faith that an answer to your question has essentially no relevance to the Christian faith.

The stuff you see in Chick tracts, etcetera, is not a very good representation of the faith; indeed, most evangelists seem to be pretty bad at telling the story.

Have you ever known anyone who *never* did anything morally questionable? Never even got tired and let a good act go undone? I haven't. So... I'm willing to accept the premise that all people are imperfect. Not because we're "made badly", but because freedom implies more than one possible outcome.

Given that, it seems that it would be nice if there were some way for our failings to be made up for. Conveniently, there is.

ax · 06-03-2002, 03:16 PM

hey, God (apparently) knew the outcome of Eden (and all the falls throughout humanity),so why does he command all those terrrible things in the o.t? Fact is, he planned our fall, he planned to send jesus so we would be put on a guilt trip:

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Have you ever known anyone who *never* did anything morally questionable? Never even got tired and let a good act go undone? I haven't. So... I'm willing to accept the premise that all people are imperfect. Not because we're "made badly", but because freedom implies more than one possible outcome.

Given that, it seems that it would be nice if there were some way for our failings to be made up for. Conveniently, there is.

Oh yes, quite convient is'nt it? funny that.
Come on, He knew we would be born sinners so we would have to ask for his forgivness. Is it fair that he pushed us down, and to be picked back up we need to say "sorry"-for what? Being what he made us? maybe the sinners prayer should be:
dear god,
Please forgive me for being what you made me to be, I am a dirty sinner thanks to you- and I apologize for that. Yes lord I am truely ashamed that you planned for this guilt trip crap you lay on us all-AMEN

[ June 03, 2002: Message edited by: ax ]</p>

06-03-2002, 03:28 PM

Where would one even conclude the Christian god fair? Hell, even the idiots at godhatesfag.com ADMIT their god is a vindictive, cruel, and unfair one, read their faq, it'll make you sick, but I respect them in that they aren't blind that their God is an SOB pardon my french.

ax · 06-03-2002, 03:46 PM

aw now come on, god loves us, he's offered us a way back into a relationship with him, I know I
surely am thankfull!! <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

ax · 06-03-2002, 04:55 PM

OH, and where are all the christians with the answers? its like jesus spending his life saying "god is good, praise be to god, ex-cetera"
then when he's on the cross and reality sets in he cries " father, why have you forsaken me!!".
You were right schu-bullshit even within itself.
Maybe there is no answer, its funny though, at night I cry out to god for proof, I say "I thought we had a relationship all these years- do not abandon me!". and the response?- f*** all.
*spit*. Where is my god now?! I though he predestined me to be with him, (well god I'm open to a response, yep-anytime now,).
I can't believe I was so blind all these years.
I appologize to all who I have responded to with
positive christianity thoughts.
But, I still put the challenge out to all xians who think they can put mymind at rest!!

[ June 03, 2002: Message edited by: ax ]</p>

Anunnaki · 06-03-2002, 05:35 PM

So little faith and patience! Some day you`ll die and then spend an eternity with your god. You`ll be right there with the rest of the freaks groveling at his feet while you give him glory. Lucky you!

Better hope you die wearing knee pads.

<end of sarcasm>

Glad to see you`ve decided to join reality.

ax · 06-03-2002, 05:38 PM

reality eh? but what is reality anyway? maybe the only answer to this and many other q's is in death. Hmmmmm now how should I die? (I hate pain!!).

06-02-2002, 10:14 PM	#1
ax Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your mind! Posts: 289	Is it fair?(note to xians) Is it fair that a father pushes his child into the mud,and for him to pick him back up-the child needs to say "sorry"? Is it fair that we have to repent for being born sinners(exactly how god planned?)Or should we be thank full he(god) flexed his muscles to keep his flock of sheep(us) inline (jesus)? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

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06-02-2002, 11:17 PM	#2
ax Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your mind! Posts: 289	What I'm asking is that the few xians out there should take a step back from the bible and think about god's ethics with what he knew and made the world to be! Have we xians been wrong all these years? surely if god wants me, no.. predestined me to be with him, he'll help me understand these thoughts?(either through you people or himself). I need help understanding this and am not afraid to admit it.

06-03-2002, 03:09 AM	#3
schu Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 707	Says he is sorry? For 90 some percent of humanity he makes crispy critters of them for eternity. He gives them a sinful nature and then punishes them for it. Why would a humane person need hepl with this? Here is all the help you need. It is bullshit! <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

06-03-2002, 08:56 AM	#4
seebs Contributor Join Date: May 2002 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 24,524	This is based on a very simplistic, and probably wrong, interpretation of the Christian faith. Enough of the premises are not the premises used by the Christian faith that an answer to your question has essentially no relevance to the Christian faith. The stuff you see in Chick tracts, etcetera, is not a very good representation of the faith; indeed, most evangelists seem to be pretty bad at telling the story. Have you ever known anyone who never did anything morally questionable? Never even got tired and let a good act go undone? I haven't. So... I'm willing to accept the premise that all people are imperfect. Not because we're "made badly", but because freedom implies more than one possible outcome. Given that, it seems that it would be nice if there were some way for our failings to be made up for. Conveniently, there is.

06-03-2002, 03:28 PM	#6
himynameisPwn Guest Posts: n/a	Where would one even conclude the Christian god fair? Hell, even the idiots at godhatesfag.com ADMIT their god is a vindictive, cruel, and unfair one, read their faq, it'll make you sick, but I respect them in that they aren't blind that their God is an SOB pardon my french.

06-03-2002, 03:46 PM	#7
ax Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your mind! Posts: 289	aw now come on, god loves us, he's offered us a way back into a relationship with him, I know I surely am thankfull!! <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

06-03-2002, 04:55 PM	#8
ax Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your mind! Posts: 289	OH, and where are all the christians with the answers? its like jesus spending his life saying "god is good, praise be to god, ex-cetera" then when he's on the cross and reality sets in he cries " father, why have you forsaken me!!". You were right schu-bullshit even within itself. Maybe there is no answer, its funny though, at night I cry out to god for proof, I say "I thought we had a relationship all these years- do not abandon me!". and the response?- f*** all. spit. Where is my god now?! I though he predestined me to be with him, (well god I'm open to a response, yep-anytime now,). I can't believe I was so blind all these years. I appologize to all who I have responded to with positive christianity thoughts. But, I still put the challenge out to all xians who think they can put mymind at rest!! [ June 03, 2002: Message edited by: ax ]</p>

06-03-2002, 05:35 PM	#9
Anunnaki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: I`ve left and gone away Posts: 699	So little faith and patience! Some day you`ll die and then spend an eternity with your god. You`ll be right there with the rest of the freaks groveling at his feet while you give him glory. Lucky you! Better hope you die wearing knee pads. <end of sarcasm> Glad to see you`ve decided to join reality.

06-03-2002, 05:38 PM	#10
ax Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In your mind! Posts: 289	reality eh? but what is reality anyway? maybe the only answer to this and many other q's is in death. Hmmmmm now how should I die? (I hate pain!!).

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