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tgamble · 08-24-2002, 08:46 AM

no, really. In the classroom, you can bring up all kinds of creation myths and mention the one in Genesis as one of many.

This is what ID proponents want right? Equal time for alternate views.

Once they start complaining (and they will complain) their whole "equal time" smoke screen will be exposed. Try giving equal time to alternate views that are NOT the genesis creation myth and all hell will break loose!

ps418 · 08-24-2002, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by tgamble:
 Once they start complaining (and they will complain) their whole "equal time" smoke screen will be exposed. Try giving equal time to alternate views that are NOT the genesis creation myth and all hell will break loose!

I demand equal time for the view that God specially-created me, my friends, and my cat, whereas the rest of you punks are descended from rabbits!

Lady MacDuff · 08-24-2002, 10:26 AM

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In the classroom, you can bring up all kinds of creation myths and mention the one in Genesis as one of many.

As long as it is not in **science** classroom. IT would have to be in a type of social studies class or literature. Evolution only in science classrooms!

tgamble · 08-24-2002, 10:34 AM

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As long as it is not in **science** classroom. IT would have to be in a type of social studies class or literature. Evolution only in science classrooms!

no no, in the science classrooms. That'll make the cretinists scream bloody murder and expose their real agenda and the deception of their equal time demands. It won't last long. Guranteed.

Wyz_sub10 · 08-24-2002, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by ps418:


I demand equal time for the view that God specially-created me, my friends, and my cat, whereas the rest of you punks are descended from rabbits!

Yes, but super-intelligent quantum rabbits! Besides, your cat ain't nothing special.

The problem with the ID smokescreen is that they try to veil it as science, not mythology. First, we need to expose that before we deal with the hypocrisy.

One smokescreen at a time.

Albion · 08-24-2002, 01:02 PM

No no no, it's the invisible pink unicorn! After all, she's got WEB SITES. Have your quantum bunnies got web sites? (do I really want to know?)

Infinity Lover · 08-24-2002, 01:27 PM

God would like us to know he doesn't have anything to do with creating the mess down here, he doesn't know who spread the ugly rumour that he did, but he'd appreciate it if we didn't give him credit anymore...

...he also asked if we could please, pretty please with sugar on top, stop referring to ourselves as created in his image. He kind of takes offense to that...

(Actually he sayd "If those butugly mother(beep)ers down there, don't shut their (beep)ing mouths, putting the (beep)ing blame on me, I'm gonne (beep)ing sue the pope!)

I have no idea who beeped those words

Grumpy · 08-24-2002, 03:46 PM

tgamble has, in jest, stumbled on perhaps the great weakness of the "equal time" movement. Who gets to decide which "theories" get a hearing? And must we include only those embraced by large groups of people, i.e. religions, or will any cockamamie suggestion (quantum rabbits) have a chance?

Obviously, quantum rabbits et al will never be taught in schools. This is because some standard must be applied to filter out nonsense. What filter is that? Why not limit schools to discussing, say, the prevailing view of science? Because, silly, that would automatically exclude all those "theories" which are manifestly religious.

Gutterboy · 08-24-2002, 04:04 PM

What bothers me the most is the innocuous way this is presented in the media. Its always "Equal time for alternate views" or "Considering other theories." Who could disagree with that?

The fact that there are no other scientific theories of origins besides Evolution to be considered in the first place never seems to make the press.

[Edited to insert "no" into the last sentence]

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Gutterboy ]

tgamble · 08-24-2002, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Grumpy:
tgamble has, in jest, stumbled on perhaps the great weakness of the "equal time" movement.

I was serious actually. It wouldn't be a day before Christian fundies scream bloody murder over giving equal time to anything but THEIR "theory". Never mind that they insist that the designer isn't identified. It would expose the weakness of the demands for equal time.

What exactly would teaching ID consist of anyway

"Life is really complex, therefore a designer was nessasary" That's it really. Spend 5 seconds on it then move on.

Since ID consists mostly of attacking evolution, perhaps the "equal time" could consist of dealing with it in the course of teaching it. "Some insist that there are no transitional fossils, here are some examples..."

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tgamble Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. John's, Nfld. Canada Posts: 1,652	Give equal time to alternate views on origins! no, really. In the classroom, you can bring up all kinds of creation myths and mention the one in Genesis as one of many. This is what ID proponents want right? Equal time for alternate views. Once they start complaining (and they will complain) their whole "equal time" smoke screen will be exposed. Try giving equal time to alternate views that are NOT the genesis creation myth and all hell will break loose!

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Gutterboy Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 19	What bothers me the most is the innocuous way this is presented in the media. Its always "Equal time for alternate views" or "Considering other theories." Who could disagree with that? The fact that there are no other scientific theories of origins besides Evolution to be considered in the first place never seems to make the press. [Edited to insert "no" into the last sentence] [ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Gutterboy ]</p>

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Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	No no no, it's the invisible pink unicorn! After all, she's got WEB SITES. Have your quantum bunnies got web sites? (do I really want to know?)

08-24-2002, 01:27 PM	#7
Infinity Lover Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,047	God would like us to know he doesn't have anything to do with creating the mess down here, he doesn't know who spread the ugly rumour that he did, but he'd appreciate it if we didn't give him credit anymore... ...he also asked if we could please, pretty please with sugar on top, stop referring to ourselves as created in his image. He kind of takes offense to that... (Actually he sayd "If those butugly mother(beep)ers down there, don't shut their (beep)ing mouths, putting the (beep)ing blame on me, I'm gonne (beep)ing sue the pope!) I have no idea who beeped those words

08-24-2002, 03:46 PM	#8
Grumpy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Alaska, USA Posts: 1,535	tgamble has, in jest, stumbled on perhaps the great weakness of the "equal time" movement. Who gets to decide which "theories" get a hearing? And must we include only those embraced by large groups of people, i.e. religions, or will any cockamamie suggestion (quantum rabbits) have a chance? Obviously, quantum rabbits et al will never be taught in schools. This is because some standard must be applied to filter out nonsense. What filter is that? Why not limit schools to discussing, say, the prevailing view of science? Because, silly, that would automatically exclude all those "theories" which are manifestly religious.

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