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Dr Rick · 07-25-2002, 12:54 PM

No, really; I am flattered, and I didn't think you meant it to be an insult. You're implicit observation that many of us became disgusted with the way we were taught religion is right on the mark.

Rick

GeoTheo · 07-25-2002, 12:56 PM

Well I think fundamentalist Christians attach a lot of unneccesary baggage along with the gospel and present it as being an indespensable part of it. Since it is presented as an impregnable system
If a person has a big problem with parts of it that they know are just plain wrong than their only choice is to reject the whole thing. Fundamentalists leave them no other choice they have painted them into a corner. Many call their bluff and opt out of the whole proposition all together and adpt atheism. Cutts the whole arguement off at its feet.

GeoTheo · 07-25-2002, 01:01 PM

For example:
Cain left no descendants If you believe in the flood. So even from the perspective of a literal interpretation of Genesis, the idea that blacks bear the mark of Cain is bogus.

Dr Rick · 07-25-2002, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeoTheo:
I'm sure my stereotype of an atheist is much more flattering than your stereotype of a Christian fundamentalist. (Mine actually is flattering in many ways-intelligent, well educated etc.)

You left-out "hedonistic."

Rick

Pugilist Atheist · 07-25-2002, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tgamble:


You mean you don't think we're a bunch of lying, god hateing, bible bashing, christian persecuting, ammoral scum who reject GOD'S TRUTH so we can persue an immoral lifestyle without having to be accountable to the man in the sky, even through he allegedly already paid the price?

What kind of Christian are ya?

I tried so hard to pursue an immoral lifestyle without having to be accountable to the man in the sky, but these days, I'd rather stay home and watch Law & Order reruns on A&E. What kind of atheist am I?

Seriously, <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/racism.html" target="_blank">Henry Morris of the ICR</a> has some really strange ideas about race...

Demigawd · 07-25-2002, 01:16 PM

A friend of mine told me the "Cain/Black" theory not too long ago, and he is black himself. And he's a pretty devout Christian, honestly trying to believe the standard dogma. I grew up with the theory myself, but from the other direction. My family owned slaves prior to the Civil War, and has continued to see black people as inferior since. The Cain myth and sections of the Bible condoning slavery helped out alot in the justification department, believe me!

GeoTheo · 07-25-2002, 01:21 PM

<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000784&p=" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000784&p=</a>

Here is the thread. I also, in jest, offered a much more demeaning explanation for the low population of atheists in prison. So don't look in the "atheism and prison stats thread" OK?

Coragyps · 07-25-2002, 01:40 PM

I thought the traditional explanation for races was that the "cursed" children of Ham were black, and that Shem fathered the Semites, and Japeth fathered someone else (?? Orientals? Irishmen?). My not-distant-enough ancestors apparently preached such tomfoolery: the Sons of Ham were cursed to be "servants of servants" because Ham saw his daddy Noah's bare butt......

nogods4me · 07-26-2002, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeoTheo:
For example:
Cain left no descendants If you believe in the flood. So even from the perspective of a literal interpretation of Genesis, the idea that blacks bear the mark of Cain is bogus.

couldn't Noah have been a descendant of Cain? Did Cain leave any descendants? other than those 2 who would have left descendants?

ishalon · 07-26-2002, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nogods4me:


couldn't Noah have been a descendant of Cain? Did Cain leave any descendants? other than those 2 who would have left descendants?

Then the whole world would have been black.

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07-25-2002, 12:54 PM	#11
Dr Rick Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: USA Posts: 5,393	No, really; I am flattered, and I didn't think you meant it to be an insult. You're implicit observation that many of us became disgusted with the way we were taught religion is right on the mark. Rick

07-25-2002, 12:56 PM	#12
GeoTheo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bemidji Posts: 1,197	Well I think fundamentalist Christians attach a lot of unneccesary baggage along with the gospel and present it as being an indespensable part of it. Since it is presented as an impregnable system If a person has a big problem with parts of it that they know are just plain wrong than their only choice is to reject the whole thing. Fundamentalists leave them no other choice they have painted them into a corner. Many call their bluff and opt out of the whole proposition all together and adpt atheism. Cutts the whole arguement off at its feet.

07-25-2002, 01:01 PM	#13
GeoTheo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bemidji Posts: 1,197	For example: Cain left no descendants If you believe in the flood. So even from the perspective of a literal interpretation of Genesis, the idea that blacks bear the mark of Cain is bogus.

07-25-2002, 01:16 PM	#16
Demigawd Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place Posts: 2,254	A friend of mine told me the "Cain/Black" theory not too long ago, and he is black himself. And he's a pretty devout Christian, honestly trying to believe the standard dogma. I grew up with the theory myself, but from the other direction. My family owned slaves prior to the Civil War, and has continued to see black people as inferior since. The Cain myth and sections of the Bible condoning slavery helped out alot in the justification department, believe me!

07-25-2002, 01:21 PM	#17
GeoTheo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bemidji Posts: 1,197	<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000784&p=" target="_blank">http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000784&p=</a> Here is the thread. I also, in jest, offered a much more demeaning explanation for the low population of atheists in prison. So don't look in the "atheism and prison stats thread" OK?

07-25-2002, 01:40 PM	#18
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	I thought the traditional explanation for races was that the "cursed" children of Ham were black, and that Shem fathered the Semites, and Japeth fathered someone else (?? Orientals? Irishmen?). My not-distant-enough ancestors apparently preached such tomfoolery: the Sons of Ham were cursed to be "servants of servants" because Ham saw his daddy Noah's bare butt......

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