Mick911

origionally posted by "old man"
"..And the number of homosexuals / lesbians who ever repent is miniscule. Not worth counting. Its hardly even worth evangelizing to them."

Here is the problem with the self-righteous Religious "Right" - they actually believe they can speak for God and say people aren't worth saving. "not worth counting"?!? Maybe your name is "not worth counting" in the book of life. It seems to me that you allow your satanic self-righteous attitudes to disrupt your proselytizing. Again, just my opinion.

AmericanHeretic

From:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...assault/roots/

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Many heterosexuals repress homosexual tendencies, Sigmund Freud believed, and some repress them more strongly than others. Homophobia is the name for what Freud saw as heterosexuals' "vigorous counter-attitudes" to homosexuality. For most of this century, many writers on the topic, following Freud, have accepted this relationship between repressed (or "latent") homosexuality and homophobia. But, Dr. Henry Adams of the University of Georgia, was the first to attempt to test the proposition empirically. The results? Individuals who score in the homophobic range on the "Homophobia Scale" <../etc/quiz.html> demonstrate signficant sexual arousal to male homosexual erotic stimuli.

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John Boswell almost singlehandedly rewrote the orthodox view that Christianity denounced homosexuals from its earliest days in a way that was total and unchanging. "The New Testament takes no demonstrable position on homosexuality," he argued. "At the very most, the effect of Christian Scripture on attitudes toward homosexuality could be described as moot. The most judicious historical perspective might be that it had no effect at all." Indeed, Boswell argues that a profound change in the popular view of homosexuals took place in the later Middle Ages: He found a significant shift toward intolerance--not just toward homosexuals, but also toward Jews and others. "The silence on this seemingly major historical problem is deafening," Boswell wrote. In this excerpt from his groundbreaking, Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality, he attempts to fill in some of the blanks. Richard B. Hays criticizes Boswell's historical reconstruction <../roots/hays.html>.

In review:

1) Anti-gay men are quite gay down deep, and they repress this.

2) Being Christian does not neccesarily make one anti-gay.

Homophobes are gay. It's just that simple. Emotionally, they cannot handle that, and hey, I could see how that could be hard to come to grips with.

You homophobes need to realise this:

The more you show anger and intolerance toward gays, the more the rest of us think you are in fact gay and simply not dealing with it well.

Fully one third of all priests are gay. Among these men hiding their inner homosexuality and posing as chaste, clean, pure, innocent servants of God....lurk child molesters. Clearly, we can see how screwed up a man can get from denying his sexual impulses. They molest kids, and that's just freaking sickening.

And then, look at you homophobes and your hate and bitter anger. Those of us who study reason and realise the subtle and powerful truths of life and reality know you need our help. I can help you right now in saying this one simple thing you homophobes, more than anyone else need to read, understand, and apply:

It's ok to be gay.

It is NOT ok to molest children or hate gays!

Drop the hate, be who you are. Quit being at war inside yourself and making the world pay for it.

I have two stories to add to this.

A preacher I know used to be very intolerant and preach against homosexuality. He's gay now and shows the world that fact every time he walks down the street. He doesn't walk, he sashays. He now, is no longer a preacher, but is still Christian, with some paganism mixed in there, which I can't figure out really, but you know what? I respect the guy and let him be as he needs to be.

An interstate rest stop near my town once was the scene of two gay guys getting it on. When the cops showed up, the one guy ran off and left the other one 'cuffed to a tree and he was busted. The next weekend, the cops returned undercover and this one guy came up to the undercover cop and grabbed his crotch. The cop busted him. He was the local pastor.

Front page news.

Huge point here for you Christians and homophobes: If you project anti-gay bigotry, sooner or later you will be exposed, or simply come out, and then, society sees you as enormous hypocrites, and in this, don't you think you're hurting your own religion?

Homophobia is hypocritical. Science is studying this now. There is nowhere to hide. There is no use in lying about it any longer.

You homophobes are gay. You know it. I know it. Everyone reading this now knows it too, and every time I see anti-gay hate posted anywhere, you'll see my gentle reminder that homophobia is homosexuality unhealthily denied.

Treacle Worshipper

Homosexuality is not like lying or being greedy. You choose to lie, you choose to be greedy; you do not choose to be gay.

And if you do believe in Jesus, hit puberty and find out you're gay? Try imagining how that feels.

Please see above comments to Magus55.

Again, how come people believe in Jesus, hit puberty and find out they're gay? What have these sincere childhood believers done to incur god's wrath? Doesn't the Bible say we're supposed
to approach god as a child?

What a fine example of love, to be sure.

And this, I'm sorry to say, is an outright lie.
TW

spurly

I've been in church since I was born, and I have never heard anyone teach anything close to hating homosexuals or disliking homosexuals.

What was I taught. That sin separates us from God. That the goal of life is to be close to God - to know him more (which is one of the pillars on which my life is built). When we have sin in our life, we need to identify it, and defeat it through the power of the spirit. Doesn't matter what the sin is, the solution is the same. It can be lying, deceit, fits of rage, any sex outside of the marriage covenant, or a multitude of other things.

Instead of being taught to hate, we were taught to love others. Love them where they are, and love them enough to help them get close to God.

I have no problem hanging out with someone who is gay. But I will let them know that God loves them while I am with them. And I will let God show that love to them through me.

Kevin

spurly

Agreed. And that attitude in and of itself drives many people away from Christ. It's sad.

Kevin

ju'iblex

Old Man, Magus55,

- you, IMHO, are very sick blind sheep, lets hope you can say something that will persuade me otherwise

- Blex

sweep

I wonder if these anti- 'gay' people would suck gods cock if 'he' ahem 'it' asked them to?

christ-on-a-stick

Ahh, the good ole "love the sinner, hate the sin"... the Xian's standard smokescreen for hate.

Barf-o-rama.

It boggles my mind that people can possibly believe that an omnimax God, creator and master of the universe, really gives a whit who-sticks-what-where. While the children are starving and people are being murdered (in his name all too often), he's keeping a close eye on those sexual organs to make sure they don't go in the wrong places!

sweep

come to think of it, in an ever so 'perverse' way, I can see all those eager single christian folk (for me, the dirty wives) imagining god with a giant erect phallus, all eager to get their lips around it.

"ooh, god, allow me humility in your presence" >> Aaa- men!

Vinnie

Is talk like that necessary, sweep?

Vinnie