Goliath

A verse in Revelations speaks of a circular pool whose circumference is three times its diameter. This is absolutely, irrefutably incorrect since the existence of such a pool would imply that pi would equal 3, which it does not.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Amos

I think it was just out of round a little but not quite oval.

Goliath

Actually, the verse was not in Revelation, it was in 2 Chronicles:

Now, the pool is described as "round," not oval-like. You are therefore demonstrably wrong.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Hawkingfan

It is not shallow since you are the only one making that inference from the text. I was saying that the ideas you are presenting are not there. If so, it would be evident to everyone. My point was that the inference has no basis other than the vivid imagination you are using(to the point where you are adding meaning to the text--a meaning that isn't there).

No, because there is no indication in the text that this is what was meant.

Hawkingfan

The name "Donald Morgan" is assigned to an administrator, so how could I post it?

Are you calling me a coward, Amos? [Needless insult edited]

If I got something to tell you, I'm going to say it without hiding from you. I'm not afraid of you in the least.

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NOGO

Christ means "anointed one" of God.
It is a title given to a human because he was selected (ie anointed) to lead the people of Israel to freedom from external domination. He became king as a result of his anointing by the high priest.

David was one such anointed one of God. So was Jehu and Gideon etc.

Jesus was not anointed by the high priest and was not king of Israel except maybe in the imagination of his followers.

Christ is a title.
You are saying something like this.
George is the name given to the person to whom the president was born.

Also note that none of the other anointed (ie christs) Saul, David, Jehu etc. were born with this title. They had to be anointed by the high priest first.

NOGO

Question.
Is a son responsible for what his parents did?

Some passages say yes

Isaiah 14:21
Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


Some passages that say no

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Jeremiah 31:30
But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

What did Jesus think?


Matthew 23
29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30 and say, "If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31 ""So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32 ""Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers.
33 ""You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?


So Jesus agrees that sons must
"fill up the measure of guilt of their fathers" and go to hell for it.

Note verse 31 which says that they testified against themselves for saying that they were the sons of those who murdered the prophets. ?????


Amalekites


Ex 17:8:16
The Amalekites came and attacked the Israelites at Rephidim. Moses said to Joshua, "Choose some of our men and go out to fight the Amalekites. Tomorrow I will stand on top of the hill with the staff of God in my hands." So Joshua fought the Amalekites as Moses had ordered, and Moses, Aaron and Hur went to the top of the hill. As long as Moses held up his hands, the Israelites were winning, but whenever he lowered his hands, the Amalekites were winning. When Moses' hands grew tired, they took a stone and put it under him and he sat on it. Aaron and Hur held his hands up--one on one side, one on the other--so that his hands remained steady till sunset. So Joshua overcame the Amalekite army with the sword. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven." Moses built an altar and called it The LORD is my Banner. He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation."


Dt 25:17:19
Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and cut off all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God. When the LORD your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!

400 years after the fact...

1 Sam 15:2-
This is what the LORD Almighty says: `I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" So Saul summoned the men and mustered them at Telaim--two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand men from Judah. Saul went to the city of Amalek and set an ambush in the ravine. Then he said to the Kenites, "Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt." So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites. Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, to the east of Egypt. He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword. But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves and lambs--everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed.

Amos

Christ(ian) is a title given to us when we are chosen by God to redirect our own thoughts in line with reality. Reality exists only in our subconscious mind and so if we tie all conscious knowledge to our eternal mind we will not suffer eternal damnation. For this to become a reality an identity shift is needed, obviously, because our given name is whereupon we built our ego consciousness that now also becomes redundant. As such can it be crucified or we may just let it rapture. A depleted empty ego can/will become a hindrance if we start to built on it again (Gal.5:1 "It was for liberty that Christ freed us so do not take upon yourself the yoke of slavery a second time).

We become king and in charge of our own destiny when we are no longer divided between our conscious and subconscious mind. In this sense all of our intuit knowledge has become conscious knowledge and we can now say that we know who we really are (we know the depth, width and breadth of the lord our God and have the mind of Christ). We are the Alpha and the omega because we have tied our own life experience (between alpha and omega) to the alpha and the alpha is what was given to us at birth by our lineage in our eternal soul.

The reason Jesus was never blessed by a Jewish high priest is because he started his own relgion.

Clarice O'C

Hello Amos,

How is all of that accomplished?

Best,
Clarice

Clarice O'C

Why? What was wrong with Judaism? And I have never heard Jesus called a 'Christian,' not even by Christians.

Best,
Clarice

P.S. L. Petrich and Don, your posts were hilarious. I needed that