DutchAtheist

Hello, not sure if this is the right forum but....

I remember a quote from Augustine that refers to the people in heaven watching the suffering of those in hell. Does anyone know a site where I can find the full quote in context?

thanx

wade-w

I believe that you are thinking of Aquinas:

wade-w

I dug the above quote from a quote site. No context for you there. Here is a complete translation of the <a href="http://www.ccel.org/a/aquinas/summa/XP/XP094.html#XPQ94OUTP1" target="_blank">Summa Theologica</a> That url points to the specific chapter you want. They seem to be using a different translation, but the idea come through quite well:

[ October 26, 2002: Message edited by: wade-w ]</p>

Garotte

<a href="http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/western/bldef_aquinas.htm" target="_blank">http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/western/bldef_aquinas.htm</a>

The Aquinas quotes from the site

Clearly the person who accepts the Church as an infallible guide will believe whatever the Church teaches. [Summa Theologica]

That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more abundantly they are permitted to see the punishment of the damned in hell. [Summa Theologica]

If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death one convicted of heresy. [Summa Theologica]

As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power.... [Summa Theologica,Q92, art. 1, Reply Obj. 1]

Amos

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Well, that is just a necessary truth and a good suggestion because if the Church is infallible her infallible teachings cannot fail. </strong>

He is just being nice to you here. What he really means is that heaven is a place on earth from where saints can't help but be entertained by the damned who busy themselves trying to justify their position and soothe the pains of their terror. [qoute]<strong>

If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death one convicted of heresy. [Summa Theologica] [/quote]</strong>

Here he tells us that heretics who lead others to hell are worse than common criminals. It is a reinforcement of the "millstone" parable.[qoute]<strong>

As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power.... [Summa Theologica,Q92, art. 1, Reply Obj. 1]</strong>[/QUOTE]

That has to be true because if God is masculine
our earthliness is the effiminate (woman) nature of man. Notice that woman was not created to have an essence of existence but was taken from man in Gen.2 to become a suitable partner as the womb of man needed for the reproduction of Man in the image of God. I should add here that the essence of existence was created in Gen. 1 and only and all that was created to have an essence was formed to have an existence in Gen.2. Also, in Gen.1 Man was created in the androgyne form of male and female, but with the potential to become either male or female.

Androgyne is male-and-female, and therefore, misbegotten does not mean that females do not deserve to live but it means that their first begotten identity was supplanted and overshadowed by the persistent passive (conservative) ideal of earthliness.

[ October 26, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]</p>

DutchAtheist

thanks everyone, no wonder I couldn't find it! wrong guy!