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AJ113 · 05-24-2003, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by 111111
The entire Holy Bible, if taken at face value, appears quite vile and evil, I'll agree. But learn to peel back it's skin, and you'll find treasures beyond imagining.

Bearing in mind that the bible is the only "official" document of the faith, don't you think it strange that, taken at face value, it appears quite vile and evil?

Imagine a person interested in christianity, reading the bible for the first time. What else can he do but take it at face value? And, having taken it at face value, he will surely reject it as a load of shite.

Don't you think that this alienating feature of the bible is a bit of an oversight by our almighty creator and saviour?

Radorth · 05-24-2003, 10:25 PM

Of course the number of supposed "Christians turned atheists" who can actually claim they experienced any of the gifts and mystical experiences the Bible talks about, is virtually zero.

The hard-core ones therefore deny what they have never experienced, or can explain, except by cynical psychological guessing games.

Rad

Queen of Swords · 05-25-2003, 12:11 AM

Of course the number of supposed Christians who can actually face up to the fact that former Christians' religious experiences (or lack thereof) are as valid as their own is virtually zero.

AJ113 · 05-25-2003, 04:05 AM

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Originally posted by QueenofSwords
Of course the number of supposed Christians who can actually face up to the fact that former Christians' religious experiences (or lack thereof) are as valid as their own is virtually zero.

Come now, QoS, everyone knows that all testimony and witness by a christian is immediately invalidated if the individual deconverts.

Aravnah Ornan · 05-25-2003, 06:30 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth
Of course the number of supposed "Christians turned atheists" who can actually claim they experienced any of the gifts and mystical experiences the Bible talks about, is virtually zero.

Maybe they did experience those gifts and mystical experiences and then realized that there are perfectly good naturalistic explanations for those gifts and experiences. For example, I used to speak in tongues.

Kassiana · 05-25-2003, 10:39 AM

::gulps:: You too, Aravnah? I actually had a few times when, quite involuntarily, I went into glossolalia. Thankfully, I didn't continue with it (it quite frightened me, and the Christians I happened to practice with encouraged me to drop it).

Other than that, I went to a couple of prayer meetings where it was planned that people would speak in tongues so I could pray in French, which I took four years of in high school.

the_cave · 05-25-2003, 11:24 AM

FWIW, I voted for Micah.

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05-24-2003, 10:25 PM	#22
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Of course the number of supposed "Christians turned atheists" who can actually claim they experienced any of the gifts and mystical experiences the Bible talks about, is virtually zero. The hard-core ones therefore deny what they have never experienced, or can explain, except by cynical psychological guessing games. Rad

05-25-2003, 12:11 AM	#23
Queen of Swords Contributor Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Canada. Finally. Posts: 10,155	Of course the number of supposed Christians who can actually face up to the fact that former Christians' religious experiences (or lack thereof) are as valid as their own is virtually zero.

05-25-2003, 10:39 AM	#26
Kassiana Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: USA Posts: 5,046	::gulps:: You too, Aravnah? I actually had a few times when, quite involuntarily, I went into glossolalia. Thankfully, I didn't continue with it (it quite frightened me, and the Christians I happened to practice with encouraged me to drop it). Other than that, I went to a couple of prayer meetings where it was planned that people would speak in tongues so I could pray in French, which I took four years of in high school.

05-25-2003, 11:24 AM	#27
the_cave Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 1,443	FWIW, I voted for Micah.

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