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Lalalalalalalala, apologists can't hear you...

Mageth

<apologist mode on>
You're taking those scriptures out of context!
<apologist mode off>

Clarice O'C

Hi Butters and Group,

Isaiah was NOT a false prophet because Jesus
supported the truth and witness of the prophets.
In fact, Jesus told Luke and his other disciples
the following:

Luke 24:44-45, "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then he opened their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures." Italics compliments of the KJV.

Cheers,
Clarice

ashibaka

So Isaiah was wrong, but he was right because Jesus said so! That makes so much sense now! Thanks.


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Clarice O'C

ashibaka wrote:

So Isaiah was wrong, but he was right because Jesus said so! That makes so much sense now! Thanks.

You're welcome.

What's more, Isaiah predicted Jesus as suffering servant, and hey, Mark referred to Jesus as suffering servant echoing back to Isaiah! See? The book of Isaiah is full of Jesus.

Take Isaiah 9:6, for example: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Notice especially, "The mighty God, The everlasting Father." In the context of 9:6 this means that Jesus is God.

See also Isaiah 52 and 53. All predictions of Jesus who fulfilled the message of the prophet Isaiah.

Well, Butters wanted Christian apologetics.

Best,
Clarice

Butters

Allright! Thanks Clarice, at least that was something...but.

Jesus could not be the Messiah, because his appearance was fortold by a false prophet,right?

ashibaka

No, didn't you hear? Jesus said Isaiah wasn't a false prophet, and Jesus is the truth-speaking Messiah because Isaiah said so, therefore Isaiah's prediction is correct. (Ow!)

Besides, don't you agree with this prophecy-- "the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful..." That just totally applies to Jesus, right? He had Pilate in the palm of his hand! And weren't all those people at his trial calling him "Wonderful"? How could you call Isaiah a "false prophet" after that spot-on prediction?

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David Bowden

Clarice, I'm just trying to get clarification:

You haven't disputed this statement concerning his prophecy about Ahaz. Can we take it that you agree that Isaiah was wrong, then?

You said earlier that "Isaiah was NOT a false prophet because Jesus supported the truth and witness of the prophets."

Does that mean Jesus thought Isaiah's prophecy about Ahaz was right?

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Vesica

Can anyone provide the scripture referance for this passage?? I went to the links but didn't see anything about this....

Clarice O'C

Hi David and All,

This is an interesting thread and I want to get back to it this weekend. Gotta work until Sunday. My job is ruining my life.

David,

I don't know who Ahaz is. Who is s/he?

Best,
Clarice