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August Spies · 05-07-2003, 12:00 PM

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How about having to become a parent at a very young age?
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Ah, then I shall exclude females. I do not know what it is like to be a female. I cannot say anything about this.

are you implying that a male would not be a parent if he impregnated someone?

come on.

Totalitarianist · 05-07-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Dominus Paradoxum
[B]"In my opinion, non-procreative and underaged sex is morally incorrect. I am fifteen; few persons of my age have sex. "

You must be behind in keeping up with statistics. Either that, or things are *really* different over in canada.

So I'm one year your senior. How delicious.

Let me tell you something, totalitarian, as one "friend" to another. This road you're traveling down is a bad one, and you won't like where it leads. Trust me, I've been there. Your moral solipsism (for that is what it is) will only bring down pain upon yourself.

My belief is that morals are mere thoughts of repulsion, like those of disgusting smells, in conjunction with a silly "rationalisation" with which to justify them, a form of self-preservation, or a means whereby to control the masses, to maintain order and stability; for example, people accept that murder is wrong, because they do not want to be murdered. A less selfish man, i.e. a man more inclined to philosophy, would accept it because it is "good" for the people as a whole, which is just another way of saying the State. I am neither an egoist nor a "moral solipsist"; I believe that morals do not exist to begin with.

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As I'm sure you've discovered, most people do not like an egoist,

I may be supposed an egoist in the sense that I regard people in general as egoists.

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You think that if you care only for yourself, you'll reap the benifits, but you won't.

I absolutely despise people who think that way. People should be concerned about the State, i.e. the masses, i.e. the organic whole, as parts of the State. People who think that way are selfish and detestable.

Now let us not get into another discussion about the State.

Totalitarianist · 05-07-2003, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by August Spies
are you implying that a male would not be a parent if he impregnated someone?

come on.

No.

August Spies · 05-07-2003, 12:22 PM

okay then how can children be ready to accept the responsibilities of parenthood, a real risk when it comes to sex.

Totalitarianist · 05-07-2003, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by August Spies
okay then how can children be ready to accept the responsibilities of parenthood, a real risk when it comes to sex.

I doubt that any child is mature enough to accept parenthood. Therefore, I do not agree with heterosexual sex involving a child.

HaysooChreesto! · 05-07-2003, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Totalitarianist

"Does it hurt anyone?" That is not how I determine right and wrong. "Is it undesirable to the majority, is it a repulsive or selfish act?" is how I determine right and wrong.

Nearly every response in this thread by you in regards to children and sexuality is repulsive and highly undesirable to the vast, vast, vast, majority. So where do you go from here?

Get help young man.

Totalitarianist · 05-07-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Lamma
Nearly every response in this thread by you in regards to children and sexuality is repulsive and highly undesirable to the vast, vast, vast, majority. So where do you go from here?

Get help young man.

By "majority" is meant the True Self of the individual, which is everyone.

Totalitarianist · 05-07-2003, 02:15 PM

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There is no argument to justify sexual exploitation of children.

There is no sound argument of which I am aware to justify sexual exploitation in all forms.

Loren Pechtel · 05-07-2003, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Totalitarianist
In my opinion, the man's punishment ought to have been a painful execution. You won't see me crying over the just punishment of any man who supports any kind of pornography.

Punishment for mere possession of pornography is not just, period.

Kiddie porn is another matter, but even then his sentance is way out of line.

Loren Pechtel · 05-07-2003, 05:32 PM

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The only way to correct this problem is to legalise child porngraphy, which is highly undesirable, or to be exceedingly strict and severe by, say, giving a man two hundred years in prison for possessing images, which I totally agree with.

Or course #3: Legalize fakes but not the real stuff.

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