Perry H

HelenSL,

"You say you believe in Christ but if the same God is behind all religions why did He bother to have Jesus die? If being a faithful believer in another religion is as good as being a Christian it seems like He may as well have skipped having Jesus go through all that, don't you think?"

I believe Jesus died to save ALL mankind as an act that had to be done. Not just to test the faith of a select few. A perfect being died in order to save all mankind. I really don't know all the politics in it, who made the law, etc. I just believe it had to be done. I know you're all going to ask me more on this so I'll just say this is one of the things in the Bible I DO believe true.

RimStalker,

As for the whole Universal God idea, I think it's possible that he just wants us to live like Jesus did and all the technical religion stuff is man made. Basically a "You don't need to know until you die, just live a good life and be close with me" type thing.

what parts of the bible do i believe in? I'm totally for the books about Jesus and Revelation. All the others I try not to get to technical about. It doesn't really matter to me. If you read it from front to cover there should be a general theme of "love your neighbor". That's what I go by.

Now on the supernatural thing, I see I need to go in more detail. Most of you probably won't believe me which is fine, but I did witness these events. No, I wasn't sick or on drugs at that time. About five years ago, my family decided to switch to a Pentacostal church. Pentacostals are real into what are called spiritual gifts "talking in languages they don't know (which are praises to God), visions, healing, etc." What we believe is that my mom couldn't tell the difference between what was from God and what was from the Devil. Therefore, the Devil took advantage and tried to make us all scared. This is when I started seeing weird stuff. To keep the house free of demons we had all the radios in the house playing christion music (which didn't work). The radios had no remote, just old fashioned manual knobs. Ever so often they'd slowly move to non-christion stations. I once called a friend and before I finished dialing I heard a voice on the phone that said "I am the Devil". We have no mice in the house, but one day while doing dishes I heard scratchin in a cabinet. I looked in there and there was no holes or rodents in the cabinet. As for the 43 and 7 number encounters. I also come accross 777, 666, 33, 20 as well. I still see the number thing in my life on occasion. I understand you may think they are just coincidence, but it's much more that that. I never looked for them. Out of nowhere, on any given day, I'll see some of the numbers right after the other with in one in a million chances. Ex: once I went to the store and the person's total was $6.66 after I was rung up my total was $7.77 (666 sign of the devil/777 sign of the God). Other times I had days when all I saw was 43. Like ex: 4/3/00 I'd wake up at 7:43, 8:43 a friend would call and tell me that he just found $43 on the side of his house, at college I noticed there was a missing page 43 for a book volume 23, all through the day. Stuff that would freak you out. I understand if you look for a number you'll notice it more. I tried looking for 5's all the time, then 10's, etc. Nothing at all like the other numbers.

For those who read the bible word for word:

If hitler accepted believed christ before he died, is he in heaven? What about muslims who believe christions are going to hell and stick with islam?

Perry

HelenM

Thanks; you explained that clearly.

So, do you think everyone will go to heaven? Or, all good people of all religions, including 'nice atheists', and the rest go to hell?

love
Helen

emotional

Reality is by perceiving with the senses. Other than that is irrelevant. Nature is relevant. Supernatural things, which by their very being cannot be sensed, and therefore cannot be proved or disproved, are irrelevant. If He exists, He is hidden, transcendent over the senses, and irrelevant. Worshipping the hidden is a waste of time.

God is fat and has acne.
How else can you explain the fact
that he never shows himself?
Allahu Asman (the fattest) wa'AqbaH (the ugliest)!

Perry H

That's what I was wondering. I really don't know so I don't claim to have an exact answer. I HOPE that's the way it is. Unfortunately all the people who do believe in God seem not to responding to this thread. Oh well.

Look I'm post #23. In this circumstance I understand it's probably just a coincidence, though.

talk to you all later,
Perry

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BLoggins02

I find it interesting that those who speak in tongues never use phonemes outside their native language.

copernicus

Technically, that's not quite true. They (i.e. those who produce glossolalia) use sounds that English speakers tend to think of as common in foreign languages--e.g. trilled "r" and the "zh" sound. They also tend to avoid sounds that English speakers perceive as less like foreign articulation (the "a" in "bat"). The interesting thing is that they never use exotic foreign sounds that English speakers tend to be unfamiliar with--imploded stops, glottalized consonants, pharyngeal vowels, whispered vowels, clicks, unrounded back vowels, and so on.

BLoggins02

I stand corrected copernicus. <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

I guess I'm not a "cunning linguist" after all

HelenM

Photocrat

For those who apparently haven't understood this reference you all ought to read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy :]

As for the radio stations referenced here, I can explain some of that in that radios *do* drift in frequency as they warm up [I'm a 'ham,' so it's *really* annoying when I'm trying to keep a lock on WWV on this old shortwave radio I have which likes to drift a *lot* :], but I don't know how to explain the dial actually moving; short of an elaborate & sick practical joke...

Of course, seeing as I'm a Christian, I don't need to explain it all away :] OTOH, I felt I ought to mention this, since they tend to think that I'm 'unevenly' skeptical of religious claims...

As to that very last post about 'speaking in tounges' I should note that in the Bible, it was once thought of as a form of communication with people in other languages, not incoherency. But, as Paul noted, it could get out of hand at times. I wonder if there are any Pentecostal StarTrek fans who wind up speaking in Klingon [or Klingonesqe] tounges? :] Maybe they'd say something about the ka'plah we have in Jesus...? :]

kwigibo

well it's a start i guess, but you probably shouldn't take it on his word that the knob actually moved. I think that would do more to improve our opinion of your skepticism.