Greg2003

If we killed over 3,000 civilians in a war whose justification was a deliberate lie by our leaders, and we don't seem to care about all those innocent lives we killed, then how are we any different from Al Queda?

Jat

They kill in the name of Allah and the USA kills in the name of Bush? Didn't you know that it is not the same thing since the Americans were liberating the Iraqi people from being oppressed and in war colateral damage happens. So they really aren't being killed, they are just unlucky enough to just get in the way.

I don't know what is worse, when someone wants to kill you intentionally, or when they kill you because their equipment is made by the lowest bidder?

Greg2003

But aren't Allah and Bush both equally phonies? I still don't see the difference.

But seriously, aren't our actions just as evil? Haven't we just engaged in evil terroristic acts, just as evil as what happened to us?

B. H. Manners

How many Iraqis would Jesus kill?

Well, my friend Jesus knows he killed at least two and possible five more during the first Persian Gulf War. He regrets doing it.

As for Jesus CHRIST, Iraq would probably have a population of ZERO if he had zapped them with lightning out of his ass.

Thor Q. Mada

What's the problem,
They are free now. OK, death but still. We also forget that the majority of the Iraqi army were conscripts. I have not seen any figures there. Don't they have mothers, wives, family??
There has never been a good excuse for any war, and this one must have the least credible reason of the entire modern history of mankind.
And if Iraq ever becomes a succesfull democracy, I will eat my hat.
So what have we achieved?? Death and destruction and a good excuse to renew our weaponry which was slowly approaching its sell by date??
Fat contracts for American companies??
Peace in Israel??

Greg2003

But for me the worst indictment is that we killed as many or more civilians as Al Quaida did on 9/11 and Iraq wasn't even a legitamate target. We are the terrorists. We really have stepped over the line here and become the enemy. In the final assessment we may have done more evil than good.

trientalis

One quibble: Al-Qaeda knowingly and purposely targeted civilians, aka noncombatants, when they attacked the World Trade Center. As far as I know, the purpose of our attacks in Iraq was not to kill civilians. Both actions resulted in thousands of civilian deaths but the intentions were different.
It seems to me that the differing intentions should be taken into account when comparing the US military to the Sept. 11th attackers, don't you think?

Thor Q. Mada

Yes, I think you are right, but the US leadership willingly went to a war and (for doubtfull reasons) knew that innocents would be killed. What is the difference??

trientalis

What is the difference between manslaughter and first degree murder?

Al-Qaeda's purpose on Sept. 11th was to cause the maximum number of civilian deaths. Period. Our purpose, or so I was told, was to eliminate a supposed threat to American security and remove a brutal dictator. Supposedly we tried to achieve this purpose with a minimum of civilian casualties.

The motives were different. That doesn't offer much comfort to the bereaved, but when evaluating the nature of an act, shouldn't motive also be taken into account, as it would be in a court, before automatically assuming that all organized violence is terrorism?

FoE

I think the answer is all of them. That's his plan in the long run anyway, right? At least the Americans just left them dead, they don't plan on torturing them for eternity.