Jimmy Higgins

The common theist answer to where the universe came from is god. They designate god as having a property of being able to exist without the necessity of being created. However, within this single property, I find a huge contradiction.

How is it possible for only one deity to exist if the deity didn't need to be created to exist? If non-creation leads to existence, shouldn't that mean an "infinite" number of gods exist?

Undercurrent

I don't think this makes sense. If we posit that "God exists" =/=> "God was created", that doesn't imply that "God was not created" ==> "God exists" or that "For each of the great many times and situations in which no god was created, then a separate god must exist."

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Davo

Jimmy Higgins,

This is very confusing. If non-creation leads to existence? What is "non-creation"? If we call the property that allows God to exist without being created "non-creation", it is incoherent to say that such a property leads to existence, because in order to possess that property, you would have to exist in the first place.

Jimmy Higgins

Let me reorganize the idea.

The property isn't as much the entity's rather the "realm" in which the entity exists.

For simplicity sake, lets make this a binary issue, 0 for false and 1 for true where the switch is about creation's need for existence. In other words, that in order to exist, it needs to be created.

In our universe the switch is set at 1. We need to be created in order to exist. A theist will switch that to 0 for god's case. The "realm" in which god exists no longer requires the idea of creation for existence, aka god has always existed.

1) God has always existed
2) Therefore god was never created at some point
3) Therefore the "realm" of god's existence allows for existence without creation

I guess I'm saying that god's ability to have always existed seems to, in my case, be a resultant of "where" he exists, rather than of his own being.