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MadMordigan · 06-11-2002, 08:50 AM

Can you get a certified copy of your vasectomy surgery record?

Maybe that would convince even the most skeptical of women...

Better than that, I carry a copy of a zero sperm count test in my wallet. Fits much better than a cock-safe.

HelenM · 06-11-2002, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by brighid:
 If you are constantly worried about getting her pregnant it will impede the intimacy of your relationship.

Great point...and if she loves you and has been honest with you it seems that she'd be happy for you to have the surgery.

And, what about the converse? Your choice to find out about this without telling her could really hurt her. She'll see it as a lack of trust in her. You'll trigger the very thing you are scared of - a breakdown of trust...she might wonder why you want to be sure you couldn't get any woman pregnant. She might wonder if it's because she's not the only woman in your life

.

Have you considered those things? Not talking to her about this could really hurt her.

love
Helen

tronvillain · 06-11-2002, 02:15 PM

brighid:

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As a side note ... for any young ladies reading this thread if a guy less then 40ish tells you he is sterile and can't get you pregnant - DON'T believe him! It is such a fucking lie - unless he had testicular cancer or some other disease and is will to provide you with medical evidence, it's a ploy and he doesn't want to wear a condom.

You know, I just don't understand some people's reluctance to wear a condom. Perhaps it's because I'm uncircumsized, but I don't find that it drastically decreases the pleasure of sex.

The Other Michael · 06-11-2002, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by tronvillain:
. . . the pleasure of sex.

Pleasure . . . sex . . wait a minute! I thought the title of that book was "The Job of Sex".

cheers,
Michael

tronvillain · 06-11-2002, 07:08 PM

Huh? Some sort of strange word play on The Joy of Sex?

brighid · 06-12-2002, 04:07 AM

Tron,

Well, you hear the usual excuses - it just doesn't feel as good and although I CAN understand this, what you can contract or give someone is a lot MORE uncomfortable. I find it especially worrisome with a new partner. I got the shit scared out of me before I became pregnant (well I actually was, but didn't know yet) when I came back to my boyfriends apartment unexpectedly and found him in bed with another woman. Although I had thought I was protecting myself using the sponge, I wasn't taking precautions against STD's. THANKFULLY he had not contracted anything and gave it to me. But I found out that I (and this other woman)weren't the only ones he was fooling around with and that he had another child and had a few occassions to go to the Free Clinic if you know what I mean. Lovely things to find out after the fact - and all of which he lied about in the beginning!! I was TERRIFIED of the potential consequences of my carelessness. You just don't know! And because most men and women don't KNOW they have contracted something like clamydia, HPV, etc. you can pass it on to a partner unwittingly. I consider myself lucky to only have gotten pregnant.

I know enough women who have contracted clamydia (sp?) or other STD's from long term boyfriends who were screwing around and didn't find out until they had it for a long time. Unless you are absolutely confident that both of you are STD free to begin with, that your relationship is monogamous AND you have other effective methods of birth control - well, I don't see the point in NOT wearing a condom.

Maybe some guys are lucky enough to get by in life never wearing one.

Brighid

The Other Michael · 06-12-2002, 05:22 AM

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Originally posted by tronvillain:
Huh? Some sort of strange word play on The Joy of Sex?

Hi Tronvillain,

The National Lampoon did a parody of "The Joy of Sex" entitled "The Job of Sex, a working man's guide to productive lovemaking" back in 1975. They also tout on the cover that it is "illustrated with pictures".

cheers,
Michael

Ted Hoffman · 06-12-2002, 10:02 AM

Well, I have been having great sex with my GF for 2 years now without a condom. The sex is beautiful and as mindblowing as it can be. She's never been Pg. We use withdrawal. She gets hysterical if she thinks I withdrew too late. What are you guys complaining about? We tries CDs once and that was it: never wore one again. I still have the two that remained out of the three I bought last year.
Now that this came up, maybe I should go and dispose of them.
Sometimes I think me and her are merely lucky. Sometimes I feel like calling to ask her if "we" are safe. Sometimes it even crosses my mind that maybe we are sexually dysfunctional. Sometimes I get of feeling "wow, this time I was a bit late".

But it has never happened.

snatchbalance · 06-12-2002, 10:07 AM

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But it has never happened.

Wedding bells are gonna ring
ding dong ding

sb

Ted Hoffman · 06-12-2002, 10:08 AM

tronvillain
You know, I just don't understand some people's reluctance to wear a condom. Perhaps it's because I'm uncircumsized, but I don't find that it drastically decreases the pleasure of sex.
I am also uncircumcised but I wore a condom once and it felt like taking sugarless tea or swimming in mud. Or fucking in slow-motion.
She did not like it either. I think I will ask her tonight. It was just a silent agreement. Actually, it was my idea that I wear one I found unprotected sex too risky (pgwise).
Besides, the foreplay has to be interrrepted so that you wear the damned contraption. Which can also come off or burst.
We are monogamous and trust each other. I trust her and she trusts me and so far it has worked great.
What more could I possibly want?

[ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: IntenSity ]

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Ted Hoffman Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: "" Posts: 3,863	tronvillain You know, I just don't understand some people's reluctance to wear a condom. Perhaps it's because I'm uncircumsized, but I don't find that it drastically decreases the pleasure of sex. I am also uncircumcised but I wore a condom once and it felt like taking sugarless tea or swimming in mud. Or fucking in slow-motion. She did not like it either. I think I will ask her tonight. It was just a silent agreement. Actually, it was my idea that I wear one I found unprotected sex too risky (pgwise). Besides, the foreplay has to be interrrepted so that you wear the damned contraption. Which can also come off or burst. We are monogamous and trust each other. I trust her and she trusts me and so far it has worked great. What more could I possibly want? [ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: IntenSity ]</p>

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06-11-2002, 08:50 AM	#81
MadMordigan Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 2,704	Can you get a certified copy of your vasectomy surgery record? Maybe that would convince even the most skeptical of women... Better than that, I carry a copy of a zero sperm count test in my wallet. Fits much better than a cock-safe.

06-11-2002, 07:08 PM	#85
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Huh? Some sort of strange word play on The Joy of Sex?

06-12-2002, 04:07 AM	#86
brighid Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: somewhere in the known Universe Posts: 6,993	Tron, Well, you hear the usual excuses - it just doesn't feel as good and although I CAN understand this, what you can contract or give someone is a lot MORE uncomfortable. I find it especially worrisome with a new partner. I got the shit scared out of me before I became pregnant (well I actually was, but didn't know yet) when I came back to my boyfriends apartment unexpectedly and found him in bed with another woman. Although I had thought I was protecting myself using the sponge, I wasn't taking precautions against STD's. THANKFULLY he had not contracted anything and gave it to me. But I found out that I (and this other woman)weren't the only ones he was fooling around with and that he had another child and had a few occassions to go to the Free Clinic if you know what I mean. Lovely things to find out after the fact - and all of which he lied about in the beginning!! I was TERRIFIED of the potential consequences of my carelessness. You just don't know! And because most men and women don't KNOW they have contracted something like clamydia, HPV, etc. you can pass it on to a partner unwittingly. I consider myself lucky to only have gotten pregnant. I know enough women who have contracted clamydia (sp?) or other STD's from long term boyfriends who were screwing around and didn't find out until they had it for a long time. Unless you are absolutely confident that both of you are STD free to begin with, that your relationship is monogamous AND you have other effective methods of birth control - well, I don't see the point in NOT wearing a condom. Maybe some guys are lucky enough to get by in life never wearing one. Brighid

06-12-2002, 10:02 AM	#88
Ted Hoffman Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: "" Posts: 3,863	Well, I have been having great sex with my GF for 2 years now without a condom. The sex is beautiful and as mindblowing as it can be. She's never been Pg. We use withdrawal. She gets hysterical if she thinks I withdrew too late. What are you guys complaining about? We tries CDs once and that was it: never wore one again. I still have the two that remained out of the three I bought last year. Now that this came up, maybe I should go and dispose of them. Sometimes I think me and her are merely lucky. Sometimes I feel like calling to ask her if "we" are safe. Sometimes it even crosses my mind that maybe we are sexually dysfunctional. Sometimes I get of feeling "wow, this time I was a bit late". But it has never happened.

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