Amos

Hi sullster, I would never agree that females (as opposed to women) have no souls and I explained that earlier. The bible says thatwoman was taken from man to be the soul of man and that is always true (sic). In my position, woman is opposite to human and if woman is the the Alpha-- which is how we all are in the beginning--it is what we add to the Alpha during our life on earth as humans that we must consolidate to arrive at the Omega (as a Catholic we hold that Jesus was human and had assumed Mary, who was woman, into heaven and crowned here queen of heaven and earth, hence my convergence of the twain mind and the final surpremacy of woman).

In the old opposite sex society males and females are identified by their sex and only in their gender identity are they considdered to be both human and woman with the only difference that males are more human and less woman while females are more woman and less human. This created and reinforced the opposites between the sexes and made for masculine males and effeminate females who's attraction was very much polarized towards the opposite sex. This made for passionate love stories with violent sex in which sin abounds.

Somewhere I think that your twisted opinion of the old opposite sex society is based on their aim to stimulate the opposites between the sexes. To be sure, if psycholgical neutering is possible (which is obvious today), the sound psychological formation of the sexes must have been in place before-hand.

I am not a female but also wonder why females want to become priests, and who are they going to pretend they are, I mean, we are sinners and should they be trying to herd the flock into heaven? God forbid.

You a cardinal? You might make it in Boston but not here.

Bree

So women can't try to "herd the flock into heaven" because they are what? What are they trying to pretend they are?

In other words, are you trying to insinuate that women can't be as "holy" as men simply because they are women?

brighid

Of course he is Bree … again, our gender makes us prone to all sorts of evil, vile, perverted things that cause us to fall prey to sorcery. Funny … the evidence doesn’t show that and if we are to look at the history of the world and the bang up job men have done … hmmm… perhaps it’s simply one of those things … a bit of deflection … if we are so weak why do those who believe as Amos does always seem to want to oppress us?

Pardon me while I puke now … why any woman wants to be a Christian – but also a Catholic … is simply beyond comprehension … oh, but I suppose that’s because my twain mind isn’t meeting


B

Amos

No Bree, the flock is not supposed to be herded into heaven and women would try to do that. Women would argue and pretend that they are righteous and worthy which is not what the Church wants.

Opposite to what you think priests are not Gods representatives on earth but just immitators of Christ.

Rememeber here that heaven is for sinners only and just as Jesus was counted among the wicked so must we. The flock is only needed to make sinners known and piety and holiness is only needed to create this contrast.

daemon

Just out of curiousity, to all, why continue discussing anything with Amos? He doesn't make any sense; you might as well try to have meaningful discussion with a two-year-old! His grasp of Catholicism is medieval at best; he seems entirely unfamiliar with the modern Roman Catholic Church.

Amos

Sorry Brighid (I had to go and wax my wife's car).

That's really a good point you made here because it is impossible for a woman to become Christian. Remember the jump-shift I talked about? Women make great Catholics (since Catholics are not Christians) but will always be assumed into heaven and will never be able to ascend to heaven. The obvious conclusion here is that they can make great mystics but not gnostics (lyrical vision as opposed to noetic vision)

The reason for this is that their twain minds are meeting as is made known in the following lines:

"I will put emnity between you [the serpent] and the woman. She [the woman] will strike at your head and you [the serpent] will strike at his heel."

To strike at his heel indicates that the woman motivates the serpent, and the serpent in its turn motivates the ego consciousness of man. For quick reference, these are the two Mary's of the gospels with Magadalene being the earthliest (flattest) one of the two (compare the difference in architexture between the Madeleine and Notre Dame in Paris).

The "emnity" indicates that our minds meet (and are therefore twain instead of twin) through the woman and the serpent. The Adam identity is our ego consciousness wherein we are "like god" instead of "Lod God" and are actually 2 steps removed from the curse that runs through woman and via Eve to Adam. Our Adam or ego identity (the TOK) is only needed to gather riches in the form of power, wealth and beauty. In our ego identity we are led by the nose and pushed into the future to lay out our claims with the hope to find joy in the present and past of our worldly now and herafter.

So you are correct except that you have it backwards which is evidence that you are human and not just a woman without a soul, ie. you are thinking.

Amos

Oh no, deamon. This is Catholicism today but maybe not from the modernist perspective.

Why do you think these priestesses were ex-communicated and why is it that the main thrust of the Catholic Church is protected by Offical Decrees if not to be protected from the reoccuring persuasion of Modernism?

daemon

No, Amos, it's not. I'm sorry you think so, but you're spouting garbage. Frankly, you're making it look even more ridiculous than it really is, which is a feat in and of itself.
Because the Church is composed of tired old men who are more afraid of the future than they are of the past, fighting the passage of time in futility. They want to control the world, but it eludes their feeble grasp, and so they lash out with their make-believe powers.

sullster

Daemon,
Why not discuss things with my friend Amos?
He does not make sense you say. Agreed. Does any religion make sense? Is there a concept expressed by any religion that really makes sense? Amos, is an extreme form of what religion is all about. I wish that Amos had a column in a newspaper or was on TV.

You say that Amos's grasp of catholicism is midevil. Agreed. He would get along fine in a monastery in 13th century Europe. Yet, so what.

What exactly is "modern catholicism"? The only reason the midevil church is not still around is because of The Reformation, The Enlightenment and the rise of the modern state. You poke around the underpinings of the catholic church and the middle ages are still there. The "modern church" is an illusion.

Thus, Amos,(my buddy), is just revealing what the whole thing is really about. Read him and weep I say, or just be glad the calender over your computer says 2002 and not 1302. Dear Amos would have us both on the stake, if the calendar said the latter year. Smile.

Amos

"Be not afraid" is the pope's message and history has proven that the Church never was afraid of the future. The fact that they use the word "Infallible" means that they are in charge of their own destiny and really don't care what the world thinks about them. Note here that infallible does not mean that they are excluded from civil obedience.