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Camaban · 07-30-2002, 05:25 PM

for those who say it's the result of an immoral lifestyle...

what about those people in third/second world countries who get into a nasty accident and need a blood transfusion, then get Aids from the donated blood?

Bubba · 07-30-2002, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Camaban:
for those who say it's the result of an immoral lifestyle...

what about those people in third/second world countries who get into a nasty accident and need a blood transfusion, then get Aids from the donated blood?

My point exactly.

Bubba

Camaban · 07-30-2002, 06:27 PM

although, to be fair, many religions seem to have focused on teaching people to stay indoors away from temptation, danger, etc and to just spend the time praising god/giving money to the church.

Dr Rick · 07-30-2002, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by GeoTheo:
I guess you lost me there. Be fruitfull and multiply equates with promiscuous sex. Yeah, you got me. And the God Hates Fags website represents Christianity as a whole. I give up. Go and spew hatred and vitrol about Christians all you want. Your mom knows someone who knew some one that said that this fundie said so and so yada yada yada .... this is a pointless exercise.go on as you were without me...As if anything you say should be taken seriously. Nice moniker, Are you Spanish by any chance? Or just a clown?

Theo, just chill; I've been chided on this thread and rolled with it, so why can't you?

Rick

Dr Rick · 07-30-2002, 06:36 PM

...and I'm a f**king doctor; a living god or something, so if I'm not offended, why should you be?
Rick

scigirl · 07-30-2002, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by GeoTheo:
I guess you lost me there. Be fruitfull and multiply equates with promiscuous sex.

Once again, you misrepresent what I said. You were arguing that abstinence was a Godly way to avoid STDs, I was arguing that it wasn't (and used His words to back it up!)

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Yeah, you got me. And the God Hates Fags website represents Christianity as a whole. I give up. Go and spew hatred and vitrol about Christians all you want.

I am going to repeat what I already said, and if you think this is hatred and vitriol, so be it. (note I also mentioned my mom is a Christian, and was appaled at the behavior)

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Originally posted by scigirl:
Now obviously, no not all christians do this (my mom didn't). But do the tenets of Christianity lend themselves to this type of abuse? Yes they do. And are the churches doing anything about it? I don't think so.

If you have evidence that Christian churches are promoting tolerance of the gay lifestyle, rather than condemnation, please by all means provide it now. Once again, you whine and whine, but where is your data?

scigirl

scigirl · 07-30-2002, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Albion:
Geo, on this site, anti-fundamentalist ranting is just part of the environment. Nonbelievers who live in a country where a presidential candidate felt quite secure in saying that they shouldn't be considered citizens or patriots are going to spend a lot of time being frustrated, and this is where those frustrations get vented.

Thank you Albion! Yes I suppose we do get on rants. But you see. . .I just don't have evidence that buddhists or hindus or agnostics are messing up people's lives by using religion to trump scientific discovery, or using an archaic text to deny around 10% of Americans (homosexuals) basic human rights.

Why do we spend so much time fighting fundamentalism - because they are trying to force their religion by promoting legislation! Don't like the gay lifestyle - don't do it! Why do you feel necessary to enforce your beliefs on everyone else too???

If Buddhists start using the Dalai Lama's writings to persecute gays, or prevent science teaching in schools, I'll bitch about them too!

scigirl

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ · 07-30-2002, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by GeoTheo:
As if anything you say should be taken seriously.
Nice moniker, Are you Spanish by any chance? Or just a clown?

Why not?

Oh, and of course I'm a bit of a clown. You should've been here for my first ten posts as Jesus.

Starboy · 07-30-2002, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by LordValentine:
That Philip Johnson denies that HIV causes AIDS is rather well known. But Philip Johnson is not the HIV denier among the evolution deniers....

Wouldn't this form of thinking lead to natural selection, or in other words, survival of the fittest? Is it something that a-theists really want to point out to Christians? Or should someone pull me aside by the ear and let me know that Christians are putative human beings?

Starboy

[ July 30, 2002: Message edited by: Starboy ]

Kevin Dorner · 07-30-2002, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by scigirl:
If Buddhists start using the Dalai Lama's writings to persecute gays, or prevent science teaching in schools, I'll bitch about them too!

Not likely... this is a rather well-known interview fragment:

Carl Sagan: "What would happen to Tibetan Buddhism if science were to prove incontestably that some basic tenet of that religion is false?"

Dalai Lama: "Why, then, Tibetan Buddhism would have to change."

[ July 30, 2002: Message edited by: Kevin Dorner ]

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07-30-2002, 05:25 PM	#51
Camaban Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 473	for those who say it's the result of an immoral lifestyle... what about those people in third/second world countries who get into a nasty accident and need a blood transfusion, then get Aids from the donated blood?

07-30-2002, 06:27 PM	#53
Camaban Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 473	although, to be fair, many religions seem to have focused on teaching people to stay indoors away from temptation, danger, etc and to just spend the time praising god/giving money to the church.

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