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Vorkosigan · 03-01-2003, 05:46 PM

Most Christians in the world would have nothing to do with Sponge. [/QUOTE]

This must be why so many refer to them as "the great unwashed."

Vorkosigan · 03-01-2003, 05:48 PM

Shouldn't this be in GRD?

Gregg · 03-01-2003, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Old Man
Quite a lot actually. It affects whether you will be able to repent in the future.

The bible says that homosexuality is a sign of someone being given over to God's wrath consequent on their rejection of God in their hearts. The more wrath that a person is given over to, the more innured they become to God. Think of Pharoah of the Egyptians, whose heart was hardened by God, through being subject to an increasing amount of wrath, and rejection of the wrath as being of divine origin.

The prognosis can only be that the more given over to sexual sin you are, the harder is your heart, and the more inurred you are to the wrath of God. Consequently, it is far harder to believe and repent. And the number of homosexuals / lesbians who ever repent is miniscule. Not worth counting. Its hardly even worth evangelizing to them. They regard true Christians as "haters" and seek to revenge themselves by law + damages on those who deprecate them.

There are all sorts of things I want to call Old Man right now, but most of them will probably get me kicked off this forum. Right now, I think I'll settle for just insulting him by asking if his handle shouldn't be "Bitter, Senile Old Man Suffering from Bowel Irregularity."

By your logic (oh, I'm sorry, not by your logic, by the Bible's logic--since you aren't capable of thinking for yourself, you let the Bible do your thinking for you), most of the people on this forum should be gay. However, I think if you did a poll, you'd find that the percentage of gay folks here pretty much mirrors that of the general population.

I suppose you have actually gone into gay bars and such and asked hundreds of gay people how they became gay, and every last one of them told you "Oh, it was when I rejected God in my heart" and not something like "Well, I just hit puberty and realized I was different. I was scared and ashamed, because the church I attended with my family, and where I was saved at the age of twelve, had always taught that homosexuality was a sin."

Ever heard of Mel White? Former speechwriter for Billy Graham. Gay. He tried everything to stop being gay. Nothing worked.

What's your explanation for the people who used to belong to, or even run, "ex-gay" organizations, Old Man? They cried, and they prayed their hearts out, and they pleaded with God to be delivered from their sinful feelings, and some of them even mutilated themselves in their shame, and nothing happened. They were still gay. Is this their cross to bear, their thorn in the side? Is God refusing to heal them in order to make examples of them? What a sadistic bastard.

"They seek to revenge themselves by law+damages on those who deprecate them." No, they seek to be treated like full citizens and real human beings, and not be denied housing, or refused access to their dying partners because they're not "family."

Now go drink your prune juice, Old Man.

Gregg

Jeremy Pallant · 03-01-2003, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Vorkosigan
Shouldn't this be in GRD?

I think you're correct.

Vinnie · 03-01-2003, 08:37 PM

First:

Vinnie's simple, practical, and liberal solution to the issue of homosexuality: God is definately more concerned with how people in a relationship treat one another than with whether or not they are of the same sex.

Also:

sponge: - "an elastic porous mass of interlacing horny fibers that forms the internal skeleton of various marine animals (phylum Porifera) and is able when wetted to absorb water"

Spong: - Liberal Bishop who writes books on Xianity

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And the number of homosexuals / lesbians who ever repent is miniscule. Not worth counting. Its hardly even worth evangelizing to them.

Even if you are correct and homosexuality is wrong I think you missed the parable of the lost sheep. The one about leaving the 99 to go rescuse the one lost sheep. Also the words of Jesus about the well not needing a doctor. Remember those? Some of your comments appear unbiblical to the extreme. "They are too lost, don't bother with them." Where in the hell did you see that at in the Bible? Am I missing something? That seems like the exact opposite of what a Christian is supposed to say. Is transforming such a sinner too big a task for the God of the universe to handle? Are they too evil even for the infinite good of God to counter? If an old man or a wretch like me could be saved, why noit them? If Paul who persecuted the faith could be saved, why not them?

I think you have some "homophobic issues" you might need to work out. That is not because you think homosexuality is wrong, but because of your attitude on homosexuals which leaves a lot to be desired.

Vinnie

03-01-2003, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Homsexuality is a sin just like lying or being greedy. It can be forgiven through Jesus. If you don't believe in Jesus, what difference does being homosexual make? You're probably screwed anyway.

Screw you.

Vinnie · 03-01-2003, 09:11 PM

Everyone appears to be screwed in here

Except for me of course

beth · 03-01-2003, 09:17 PM

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I have come to the conclusion that if a lot of Christians come across this site and see how the Bible puts being gay to shame, then all gay people will be screwed.

This really isn't a revelation. Almost all Christians are taught to dislike or hate homosexuals. We have all read the texts. I could never give into the hate though. I've met too mant really wonderful gay people in this world. My biological father was also gay.

GarColga · 03-02-2003, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by Vorkosigan

Most Christians in the world would have nothing to do with Sponge.

This must be why so many refer to them as "the great unwashed." [/QUOTE]

LOL! That's the funniest thing I've seen so far today!

Vinnie · 03-02-2003, 09:31 AM

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If you don't believe in Jesus, what difference does being homosexual make? You're probably screwed anyway.

This is a trustworthy saying for which we strive and labor that deserves full acceptance: We have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe. 1 Tim 4:9-10

Vinnie

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Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Most Christians in the world would have nothing to do with Sponge. [/QUOTE] This must be why so many refer to them as "the great unwashed."

03-01-2003, 05:48 PM	#12
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Shouldn't this be in GRD?

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Vinnie Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Waterbury, Ct, Usa Posts: 6,523	Everyone appears to be screwed in here Except for me of course

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