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Spenser · 06-25-2003, 01:00 PM

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...at that time Mt. Ararat was only about ten to twelve thousand feet high. Now if all the water came down in forty days and drowned all the mountains of the world, that would require the rain to come down at about eleven and a half feet per hour. John, that's not rain, that's hydraulic mining! Everything would have been swept off the surface of the continents. The continents would be absolutely denuded down to crystalline rocks. All the sedimentary rocks would have been deposited in the ocean basins. Now clearly, that's not the pattern that we see... and it would certainly imply... that does away with Noah's flood!

-Frank Zindler

Taken from http://www.atheists.org/bone.pit/morrisdebate.html" target="_blank">http://<a href="http://www.atheists....ebate.html</a>

How do creationist explain this?

Spenser · 06-25-2003, 01:02 PM

I think I might have put this in the wrong forum...

simian · 06-25-2003, 01:07 PM

Magic. The mountains rose after the flood. Prior to that, the world was very flat, and there was only 1 continent. Don't know how common this answer is, but I certainly have heard it.

Simian

Duvenoy · 06-25-2003, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Spenser
I think I might have put this in the wrong forum...

Maybe, but leave it here, anyway. And while we're at it, I'd like to see a Creationist debunk this little jewel:

http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/fludmath.htm

Really, I would like to see it get taken apart! The guy's doubtless right on the money, but I don't like his attitude. I also lack the math to do it myself.

doov

roxrkool · 06-25-2003, 01:21 PM

That's what I'm hearing these days, too.

Seems that today's mountains are the result of the immense pressures exerted by flood waters.... somehow kick-starting plate tectonics.

So they are having to build a 29,000+ foot Mt. Everest, along with all the other mountains and mountain ranges on the planet, in 4,400 years. Imagine those earthquakes!

(edited for clarity)

Spenser · 06-25-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Duvenoy
Maybe, but leave it here, anyway. And while we're at it, I'd like to see a Creationist debunk this little jewel:

http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/fludmath.htm

Really, I would like to see it get taken apart! The guy's doubtless right on the money, but I don't like his attitude. I also lack the math to do it myself.

doov

Bravo! You're right the guy is a little smug but he destroys any hope of defending the flood with sensical arguments. The best they can say is 'God is all powerful, God can do anything, God did it!' As well, God seemingly flooded the whole world yet places like China had written histories that predate the supposed flood (at least when most Xians say it happened) with no record of such an event. Not to mention the logistics of the boat...

Magus55 · 06-25-2003, 08:50 PM

Its called water coming from fissures in the ocean floor as well as the rain, with the ocean floor not being as deep as it is now.

PandaJoe · 06-25-2003, 08:54 PM

In other words, baseless assumptions.

Spaz · 06-25-2003, 09:02 PM

Everybody knows that aliens put all the water there and then sucked it all back up in their spaceship straws when they were done.

Jayjay · 06-25-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by simian
Magic. The mountains rose after the flood. Prior to that, the world was very flat, and there was only 1 continent. Don't know how common this answer is, but I certainly have heard it.

This is a particularly hilarious explanation from people who will, in another context, steadfastly explain away the ordering of the fossil record as a natural result of more mobile animals running uphill for safety. Pre-flood world must have been like rubber, changing shape whenever creationists wave their hands!

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06-25-2003, 01:02 PM	#2
Spenser Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Don't you wish your boy friend got drunk like me, Posts: 7,808	I think I might have put this in the wrong forum...

06-25-2003, 01:07 PM	#3
simian Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 1,924	Magic. The mountains rose after the flood. Prior to that, the world was very flat, and there was only 1 continent. Don't know how common this answer is, but I certainly have heard it. Simian

06-25-2003, 01:21 PM	#5
roxrkool Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 75	That's what I'm hearing these days, too. Seems that today's mountains are the result of the immense pressures exerted by flood waters.... somehow kick-starting plate tectonics. So they are having to build a 29,000+ foot Mt. Everest, along with all the other mountains and mountain ranges on the planet, in 4,400 years. Imagine those earthquakes! (edited for clarity)

06-25-2003, 08:50 PM	#7
Magus55 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 7,204	Its called water coming from fissures in the ocean floor as well as the rain, with the ocean floor not being as deep as it is now.

06-25-2003, 08:54 PM	#8
PandaJoe Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bloomington, Indiana Posts: 188	In other words, baseless assumptions.

06-25-2003, 09:02 PM	#9
Spaz Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 6th Circle of Hell Posts: 1,093	Everybody knows that aliens put all the water there and then sucked it all back up in their spaceship straws when they were done.

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