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Totalitarianist · 05-24-2002, 05:13 PM

If all material had to be created by something, who, then, created the Creator? If nothing created the Creator, isn't that denying the assumption that a creation had to occur?

--Trebaxian

[ May 24, 2002: Message edited by: Trebaxian Vir ]

hinduwoman · 05-24-2002, 05:56 PM

It is a Mystery , and you are not supposed to meddle with things that men were not meant to know.

Ron Singh · 05-24-2002, 05:58 PM

And this is when you delve into infinite regression. Hence, there must be an unmoved mover.

Hans · 05-24-2002, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by sikh:
And this is when you delve into infinite regression. Hence, there must be an unmoved mover

Such as infinite regression itself!

RJS · 05-24-2002, 06:53 PM

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If all material had to be created by something, who, then, created the Creator? If nothing created the Creator, isn't that denying the assumption that a creation had to occur?

You are all so burdened by this silly concept of time.

Someone7 · 05-24-2002, 07:18 PM

Mr. Dino: If you were walking in the woods and saw a God hanging from a tree, you'd know there couldn't be a designer!

Philosoft · 05-24-2002, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by RJS:


You are all so burdened by this silly concept of time.

Yeah. Convenient when you don't have to deal with reality or logic, eh?

HRG · 05-24-2002, 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by sikh:
And this is when you delve into infinite regression. Hence, there must be an unmoved mover.

It is exactly the advantage of infinite recessions that they remove the need for special pleading ("All moving things had to be moved, but some things need no movers").

Those who cannot conceive an infinite regression should be classified with those who cannot conceive time dilation or quantum entanglement. Reality is not bound by the speculation of some philosophers.

Regards,
HRG.

Jayhawker Soule · 05-25-2002, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by HRG:
Reality is not bound by the speculation of some philosophers.

Nor by the relatively primitive constructs of todays religions.

snatchbalance · 05-25-2002, 04:46 AM

I guess none of this HAD to happen; but it did.

SB

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Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234	Is creation a self-contradiction? If all material had to be created by something, who, then, created the Creator? If nothing created the Creator, isn't that denying the assumption that a creation had to occur? --Trebaxian [ May 24, 2002: Message edited by: Trebaxian Vir ]</p>

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