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Totalitarianist · 05-08-2003, 03:14 PM

Step x - Study dialectical materialism.

The Naked Mage · 05-08-2003, 04:32 PM

Or you could just forego the entire program in favor of observing Totalitarianist for a few weeks.

I think anyone would conclude that there was no god after that.

sphinx wui · 05-08-2003, 05:02 PM

Smoke a joint. I am very serious, how can you overcome years of indoctrination?

Thomas Paine said,
Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system. �

the problem is how to go back to be a kid again, how to suppress your higher centers in your cerebral cortex which the society filled with a lot of shit over the years.

Omar

Jayjay · 05-08-2003, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by sphinx wui
Thomas Paine said,
Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system. �

the problem is how to go back to be a kid again, how to suppress your higher centers in your cerebral cortex which the society filled with a lot of shit over the years.

We could always breed children, then package and market them as "religion detectors". Add some sort of recycling system for the carcasses, and you've got a nice business going on.

Shake · 05-08-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by AJ113
Step 6: Lurk on the forums of II

Step 8: Register at II and start posting.

Celsus · 05-08-2003, 07:35 PM

Content-free = ~~Elsewhere-bound~~

Joel aka Celsus
GRD Moderator

Defiant Heretic · 05-08-2003, 08:20 PM

Oh, come on, Joel. It at least qualified for humour.

mike_decock · 05-08-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Defiant Heretic
Oh, come on, Joel. It at least qualified for humour.

Humour? I was being serious.

-Mike...

Totalitarianist · 05-08-2003, 09:17 PM

Hero · 05-08-2003, 09:49 PM

Though I am an atheist, I consider some of the steps listed above are not valid. For example,

1.
Godless Dave
Moderator
Registered: February 2002
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Posts: 4227
Step 1: Admit that you are NOT powerless over your life.

Why do religions exist in this world and in every culture? The reason is that humans do not know about the future and feel so powerless to control their own future. Death, disease, divorce, loss of relatives, unemployment etc so many unexpected things happen in life so that human would seek religion in order to take some relieve. I believe that religion will never disappear on earth as human must face difficulties throughout their life.

2.
mike_decock
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Registered: March 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 497
Step X: Repeat to yourself these phrases every day.
Faith is different than trust.
Faith is by definition illogical.
I will not get struck by lightning if I question my faith.
Popularity of belief does not make it true.
Ignorance isn't evidence.

What? faith is illogical? So what is logical? U mean science? Do u know that every scientific theory must depend on some degree of trust/faith in order for them to proceed to their conclusion? For example, Newton developed mechanics based on one of the premise that mass will remain constant within an enclosed system. But this premise was proven wrong by Albert Einstein who stated energy and mass are interconvertible. So almost everything in our life require us to have faith on them, the problem lies in the criteria that we choose something to believe.

3.
Paperstreet
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Registered: April 2003
Location: Maryland
Posts: 78
Read a science textbook, especially biology, and especially the chapters on evolution.

Do u know that evolution is largely an hypothesis that is never proved to be true? For example, can u do any experiment to prove that human evolved from apes? Without experimentation, evolution is never regarded as an scientific theory.

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05-08-2003, 03:14 PM	#21
Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234	Step x - Study dialectical materialism.

05-08-2003, 04:32 PM	#22
The Naked Mage Veteran Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Execution State, USA Posts: 5,031	Or you could just forego the entire program in favor of observing Totalitarianist for a few weeks. I think anyone would conclude that there was no god after that.

05-08-2003, 05:02 PM	#23
sphinx wui Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: egypt Posts: 253	Smoke a joint. I am very serious, how can you overcome years of indoctrination? Thomas Paine said, Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system. � the problem is how to go back to be a kid again, how to suppress your higher centers in your cerebral cortex which the society filled with a lot of shit over the years. Omar

05-08-2003, 07:35 PM	#26
Celsus Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,875	Content-free = ~~Elsewhere-bound~~ Joel aka Celsus GRD Moderator

05-08-2003, 08:20 PM	#27
Defiant Heretic Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,288	Oh, come on, Joel. It at least qualified for humour.

05-08-2003, 09:17 PM	#29
Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234

05-08-2003, 09:49 PM	#30
Hero Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: HK Posts: 16	Though I am an atheist, I consider some of the steps listed above are not valid. For example, 1. Godless Dave Moderator Registered: February 2002 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 4227 Step 1: Admit that you are NOT powerless over your life. Why do religions exist in this world and in every culture? The reason is that humans do not know about the future and feel so powerless to control their own future. Death, disease, divorce, loss of relatives, unemployment etc so many unexpected things happen in life so that human would seek religion in order to take some relieve. I believe that religion will never disappear on earth as human must face difficulties throughout their life. 2. mike_decock User Registered: March 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 497 Step X: Repeat to yourself these phrases every day. Faith is different than trust. Faith is by definition illogical. I will not get struck by lightning if I question my faith. Popularity of belief does not make it true. Ignorance isn't evidence. What? faith is illogical? So what is logical? U mean science? Do u know that every scientific theory must depend on some degree of trust/faith in order for them to proceed to their conclusion? For example, Newton developed mechanics based on one of the premise that mass will remain constant within an enclosed system. But this premise was proven wrong by Albert Einstein who stated energy and mass are interconvertible. So almost everything in our life require us to have faith on them, the problem lies in the criteria that we choose something to believe. 3. Paperstreet New User Registered: April 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 78 Read a science textbook, especially biology, and especially the chapters on evolution. Do u know that evolution is largely an hypothesis that is never proved to be true? For example, can u do any experiment to prove that human evolved from apes? Without experimentation, evolution is never regarded as an scientific theory.

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