dangin

I just got this message from God to Radorth.

" <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> Stay off my side."

Daggah

Would it be 'damage control' if I quoted a post I already made on the subject? Hahaha...you really are a dumb shit, aren't you? I already said that, while the origins of the article are certainly questionable, [b]it was present in the treaty ratified unanimously by the Senate.

And as far as where I was, Radorth? Fuck you. Being a young man of integrity and possessing a strong work ethic, I was working. Helping a guy who lays tile, if you must know.

Daggah

Well, there's no Providence, no God, no Creator, and we have a Constitution. So I guess that answers your question, doesn't it?

Radcliffe Emerson

It doesn't matter if he was a hypocrite or not, he was an atheist.

Radcliffe Emerson

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Radcliffe Emerson:
[QB]A quote by Thomas Jefferson:
"I find in Christianity, not one redeeming feature. It makes half of its followers fools, and the other half hypocrites."
Jefferson created his own version of the bible with all of the miraculous crap, resurrection, raising of the dead, etc removed.
I was going to mention the treaty of Tripoli, but I see it's already been mentioned.

Radcliffe Emerson

[QUOTE]
Radcliffe Emerson

George Washington was an atheist.

Please read these carefully before you make that claim again.

I have read it, and it's complete bullshit. In those days you had to belong to a church to be in politics. Washington rarely ever took part in church affairs and routinely walked out during communion. After he became president he was criticized for it and his response was to cease attending church altogether.
In all of his letters, there is not one mention of Jesus Christ, and on his death bed he allowed no prayers, refused to have a clergy present and said not one word about a divine being, afterlife, or anything of the kind. The only thing he said before dying was "I am not afraid".

Dr Rick

Only if he changed ihis mind again a year later:

"What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because of suspected heresy? Remember the Index Expurgato-rius, the Inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter, and the guillotine; and, oh! horrible, the rack! This is as bad, if not worse, than a slow fire. Nor should the Lion's Mouth be forgotten. Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years."--- John Adams, letter to John Taylor, 1814

"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning.... And, even since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes."
-- John Adams, another letter to John Taylor, 1814

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
-- John Adams, letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

"Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?"
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, May 19, 1821

"God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world."
-- John Adams, "this awful blashpemy" he is refering to is the myth of the Incarnation of Christ

Rick

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ybnormal

Rad, my friend, you certainly have your plate full, so I'll be brief. Just a couple of points.

1. As one who religiously follows xian word-twisting tactics, I recognize your need to use the word "skeptic", a label that many wear proudly, however, on this Constitution issue, you sir, are the lone "skeptic" here.

2. Thank you for such a fine example of the above-mentioned tactic used by xians in their zeal to muddy arguments they know are unarguable. David Barton made NO "ignorant gaffs", nor do I see reason to believe that you make "ignorant gaffs". Your need to equate one who makes an honest mistake, who later apologizes, with one who organizes a well-funded campaign to rewrite American History, for the express purpose of circumventing school-prayer court rulings, re-exposes a devious and deceitful agenda.

In other words, with that in mind, please identify these David Barton's of atheism.

[criminy... added "/quote"]

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Dr Rick

They had in mind a government deriving it's power from the governed; there's no mention anywhere of deriving "inspriration from God or Christ:"

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
-- Declaration of Independence

Rick

lpetrich

Dr. Rick, where did those John Adams quotes come from?