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Old 08-07-2003, 09:25 AM   #31
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Just my view, but as such, is extremely important to atleast one person

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Just tell us in case you should have another change.
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I like that idea JT. I'm starting to have alot of affinity to a certian type of Taoism. It allows for my belief in her ability and my acceptance of energy flow and manipulation and the natural flow of the world without demanding a belief in an afterlife or gods. I find it refreshing, offering just what I need right now. I may, and probably will, again change my mind.
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Never be afraid to change your mind. Spirituality is movement and those who refuse to move fall into traps like fundamentalism. We often describe our spiritual work as a path and so it is. But, it is not a path in the sense of one in a wood that exists whether it is walked or not. A spiritual path is created by the movement of the traveler through the truths of his life. Stop moving spiritually and the path disappears. I recommend you actively search for things that challenge your understanding. Set out to change your mind.

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Wouldn't that be a form of reincarnation? There would be a continuity between the death of one person and the birth of another.
I don't think so. No more than there would be a continuity between you and a foot print in the sand of a beach. You know someone has come this way before you but that is all you know.

Our personhood ends at death. The individual does not move on. The impression we leave is not a person. It is a foot print on the beach.

We may be able to tell if the person was heavy, young, alone, walking or running. Perhaps he stood here a moment to watch the gulls or sat here to rest. Here the prints enter the sea and here they come out again. Here they move into the dunes and are lost.

We can know some things about the person but we can never know the person. The impressions remain. The person is gone.

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No it doesn't! That's what the atheists say, and it's heresy!
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Just my view, but as such, is extremely important to atleast one person

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I shall think of you then as an Oriented Pagan.
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No it doesn't! That's what the atheists say, and it's heresy!
But dig deeply into my spirituality Emotional and there is nothing at the bottom. I am as much an atheist as any here. And, there can be no heresy among Pagans. Heresy would only be another path to truth.

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In it, our consciousness is animated by energy, Ch'i... but that dissipates at death as well. The components go back to their origin. We are a bucket of sensations, energies, matter and memories. The sensations and memories are bound to end at death, for us atleast, but just as the matter slowly disintegrates, so does the energy form of 'us'. At the end of it all, we are completely redistributed to form new life. Our actions effecting the whole world, our matter and our energy giving birth to new life.

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I did the post on changing your mind and ment to say how well this line of thought fits my own. We take part in the progression of birth, life, and death but that progression is not some vast cosmic endeavor to perfect us as beings. I have never been drawn to reincarnation because I don't see how it works without a entity who desides when enough is enough and lets you off the merry go round. Personaly I'd rather stop after the first ride.
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The idea that death is the end of personhood is too bad to be true. It is a damnable doctrine, a heresy as much as is the Christian and Islamic heresy of eternal hell for unbelievers.
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The idea that death is the end of personhood is too bad to be true. It is a damnable doctrine, a heresy as much as is the Christian and Islamic heresy of eternal hell for unbelievers.
Yes, well, one mans eternity is another mans walk on the beach.

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Huh? I don't understand Zen koans.
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