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Howard · 07-21-2003, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Steven Carr
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

So God is beside himself?

mark9950 · 07-21-2003, 02:01 PM

wa on the cross he said eli eli why have thou forsaken me(you know the verse)

Jesus really meant to say myself, myself why have I forsaken myself.

the trinity cannot be understood because it does not make sense,also trying to explain a polytheistic god in a monotheistic way cannot be understood either.

when the word they is used that means more than one.

Infidelettante · 07-21-2003, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Jackalope
Excuse me, but isn't what we translate as "holy spirit" the Shekinah? That's the "glory" or "presence" of god here on earth. It's also a feminine noun, which later became personified. So jews spoke of YHWH "and his Shekinah." While the christians obviously added the "son" into the equation, those who were originally jewish would have known of the Shekinah, which was more on earth and in the temple than YHWH was.

Shekinah is the female, empowering aspect of YHWH. Without her he is impotent as is shown in the state of his "chosen people" who are reduced to quibbling over a few square miles of desert.

Jackalope · 07-22-2003, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by JTVrocher
Shekinah is the female, empowering aspect of YHWH. Without her he is impotent as is shown in the state of his "chosen people" who are reduced to quibbling over a few square miles of desert.

That's the kabbalistic version of the Shekinah, yes. However, much earlier than that, in the Second Temple period, the Shekinah was closer to the "presence" of god. In fact, the "presence" had some stereotyped signs that signaled it was there in the temple. One of those was the sound of bells.

The one book I have here right now claims that "Holy Spirit" was also a feminine noun that became personified. (The Hebrew Goddess, by Raphael Patai. Patai is a decent enough scholar, just skip entirely the foreward written by nutjob Merlin Stone). I need to expand my collection of books on jewish writings from the era predating the destruction of the Second Temple...but well, I already have an enormous Amazon wish list at this point...

07-21-2003, 02:01 PM	#12
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	When jesus wa on the cross he said eli eli why have thou forsaken me(you know the verse) Jesus really meant to say myself, myself why have I forsaken myself. the trinity cannot be understood because it does not make sense,also trying to explain a polytheistic god in a monotheistic way cannot be understood either. when the word they is used that means more than one.

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