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jojo-sa · 01-31-2002, 11:51 PM

Atheist say the universe is the all and the everything and the rules of nature and physics etc. this is what they see and what they believe in. they use this to explain evolution and other things etc.

they claim they are so advanced in technology,science,biology, etc.

in the past people who believed in the wind, the sun, the oceans,the moon,the rain etc said similar things ie. they can see these things and can figure how it affects their lifves so believe in them.eg. it rains and water makes plants grow. the wind blows sand in my eyes,the sun makes me hot,etc...

What is the difference between them and the now so called "educated" atheists??

they all fail to explain "how" it came about, they merely describe or explain what they see.

how advanced are this new breed of atheists really???

peace

Jack the Bodiless · 01-31-2002, 11:59 PM

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they claim they are so advanced in technology,science,biology, etc.

in the past people who believed in the wind, the sun, the oceans,the moon,the rain etc said similar things ie. they can see these things and can figure how it affects their lifves so believe in them.eg. it rains and water makes plants grow. the wind blows sand in my eyes,the sun makes me hot,etc...

I still believe in the wind, the sun, the oceans, the moon, the rain etc. But because I am "so advanced in technology, science, biology, etc" I know much more about how rain makes plants grow, wind blows sand about, and the sun makes things hot.

Are you saying it's bad to know about such things?

And how are modern theists more "advanced" than those who thought that rain was poured out of Heaven by the gods?

Thor Q. Mada · 02-01-2002, 12:06 AM

jojo-san,

What do we believe nothing. The question (as an example) should not be: " do you believe the sun exists" but rather: "How good is the evidence that the sun exists" . The answer is : pretty good.
You see science doesn't believe anything and continuously questions itself. That in sharp contrast with a stagnant religious belief.
And by the way, we don't pray to the sun. Although she is quite essential.
Peace

jojo-sa · 02-01-2002, 12:29 AM

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I still believe in the wind, the sun, the oceans, the moon, the rain etc. But because I am "so advanced in technology, science, biology, etc" I know much more about how rain makes plants grow, wind blows sand about, and the sun makes things hot.
Are you saying it's bad to know about such things?

And how are modern theists more "advanced" than those who thought that rain was poured out of Heaven by the gods?

You know more but still dont answer "how".You know that water is need in photosynthesis etc. answer where did the rules come from not what he rules do. you are no different .....form this statement

never said its bad to observe the universe and see how it operates, it is for sure a good thing.

Show me how you are different? if you wish to start another thread by asking questions about theists, then by all means start a thread and ask the questions.

peace

HRG · 02-01-2002, 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by jojo-sa:
[QB]Atheist say the universe is the all and the everything and the rules of nature and physics etc. this is what they see and what they believe in. they use this to explain evolution and other things etc.

they claim they are so advanced in technology,science,biology, etc.

in the past people who believed in the wind, the sun, the oceans,the moon,the rain etc said similar things ie. they can see these things and can figure how it affects their lifves so believe in them.

The ancients might have believed in them. Nowadays people - unless they are insane - simply believe that the sun, the oceans etc. exist.

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eg. it rains and water makes plants grow. the wind blows sand in my eyes,the sun makes me hot,etc...

What is the difference between them and the now so called "educated" atheists??

they all fail to explain "how" it came about, they merely describe or explain what they see.

Ridiculous.

Do you claim that meteorology does not explain how a hurricane arises, astrophysics do not explain how stars come into existence, and evolution does not explain the diversity of life on earth ? Just to give a few examples.

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how advanced are this new breed of atheists really???

People in glass houses - e.g. those who believe that "God did X" by itself is an explanation for X - should not throw stones.

(Hint: you need in addition an explanation for God).

HRG.

ju'iblex · 02-01-2002, 12:41 AM

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they all fail to explain "how" it came about, they merely describe or explain what they see.

How it all came about. I both do not know nor care, and whats more why do we really need to know?

jojo-sa · 02-01-2002, 01:20 AM

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How it all came about. I both do not know nor care, and whats more why do we really need to know?

Exactly my point . You no different all that differs you changed how define.

te ancient said i believe in it.

today the say, the law of nature works like this. i follow that.

you replaced "believe in it" with "follow that".

as for the HRG sure missed the question ..

peace

Oolon Colluphid · 02-01-2002, 02:00 AM

If I were a moderator of this forum, this thread would be in RR&P by now. It's surely lowering the standard rather. Up to you guys of course, but I suspect Queen of Swords is hungry...

Oolon

lpetrich · 02-01-2002, 02:14 AM

I note that jojo-sa has been unwilling to consider the questions of where Allah came from, how Allah came into existence, what purpose Allah serves, etc.

Jack the Bodiless · 02-01-2002, 02:20 AM

What's the difference?

The difference is that we try to find out how these things work, rather than simply inventing an answer and insiting that it's true.

Religion is a description of how some people would like the world to be. Science is an ongoing quest to determine how the world actually is.

And atheism is a recognition of the fact that, as far as we can see, no gods are required.

01-31-2002, 11:51 PM	#1
jojo-sa Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: europe Posts: 111	Are atheist any different to sun,moon,wind,etc.god believers? Atheist say the universe is the all and the everything and the rules of nature and physics etc. this is what they see and what they believe in. they use this to explain evolution and other things etc. they claim they are so advanced in technology,science,biology, etc. in the past people who believed in the wind, the sun, the oceans,the moon,the rain etc said similar things ie. they can see these things and can figure how it affects their lifves so believe in them.eg. it rains and water makes plants grow. the wind blows sand in my eyes,the sun makes me hot,etc... What is the difference between them and the now so called "educated" atheists?? they all fail to explain "how" it came about, they merely describe or explain what they see. how advanced are this new breed of atheists really??? peace

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02-01-2002, 12:06 AM	#3
Thor Q. Mada Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Asia Posts: 3,558	jojo-san, What do we believe nothing. The question (as an example) should not be: " do you believe the sun exists" but rather: "How good is the evidence that the sun exists" . The answer is : pretty good. You see science doesn't believe anything and continuously questions itself. That in sharp contrast with a stagnant religious belief. And by the way, we don't pray to the sun. Although she is quite essential. Peace

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Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	If I were a moderator of this forum, this thread would be in RR&P by now. It's surely lowering the standard rather. Up to you guys of course, but I suspect Queen of Swords is hungry... Oolon

02-01-2002, 02:14 AM	#9
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	I note that jojo-sa has been unwilling to consider the questions of where Allah came from, how Allah came into existence, what purpose Allah serves, etc.

02-01-2002, 02:20 AM	#10
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	What's the difference? The difference is that we try to find out how these things work, rather than simply inventing an answer and insiting that it's true. Religion is a description of how some people would like the world to be. Science is an ongoing quest to determine how the world actually is. And atheism is a recognition of the fact that, as far as we can see, no gods are required.

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