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Totalitarianist · 12-21-2002, 09:14 AM

For though you die, yet you live again--an infinite amount of times! Time is infinite, for if otherwise it would be nonsense. There is a limited amount of matter and energy in the universe. It is like flipping a dice an infinite amount of times: though it will land upon every other number, yet it will land on each an infinite amount of times; for there will be an infinite amount of attempts. There is truly an infinite amount of attempts for every thing to occur in the universe that has occured or will occur in the future--so long as it is possible, and therefore potential. Again, if you have an infinite amount of chances to do anything, that thing will by chance occur again and again to eternity. So live thy life without pain, for thou wilt feel it, and thy cries will be heared, again and again and again to eternity.

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Hugo Holbling · 12-21-2002, 09:18 AM

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Do not worry, my soul.

Too late.

sweep · 12-21-2002, 09:25 AM

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So live thy life without pain, for thou wilt feel it, and thy cries will be heared, again and again and again to eternity

Some pep0les cries aren't heard, which is why they make other people cry.

I agree with the rest

crocodile deathroll · 12-21-2002, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Embodiment of The Absolute Idea:
<strong>For though you die, yet you live again--an infinite amount of times! Time is infinite, for if otherwise it would be nonsense. There is a limited amount of matter and energy in the universe. It is like flipping a dice an infinite amount of times: though it will land upon every other number, yet it will land on each an infinite amount of times; for there will be an infinite amount of attempts. There is truly an infinite amount of attempts for every thing to occur in the universe that has occured or will occur in the future--so long as it is possible, and therefore potential. Again, if you have an infinite amount of chances to do anything, that thing will by chance occur again and again to eternity. So live thy life without pain, for thou wilt feel it, and thy cries will be heared, again and again and again to eternity.

[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Embodiment of The Absolute Idea ]</strong>

I no longer like the word "Soul" as it throws too many religious connotations. I prefer "subjective reality" Subjective reality is more of a property of the universe and not an individual person. Memories are the properties of the individual person.
Subjective reality is reality at its most tangible you live in this sphere of subjective reality. you feel your mouse gaze at your computer screen and see the walls in the room around you.
Subjective reality is the only means in which the universe would become aware of its own existence.

AtlanticCitySlave · 12-21-2002, 03:19 PM

First, I don't see any reason to believe that time is infinite, or that it's nonsense if it isn't.

Second, even if we assume that time is infinite (and matter finite), I don't think you provide any reason, other than "chance", that everything will happen again, i.e. we'll live many many times. It may be by "chance" (which I don't believe it to be) that I am a conscious being at this moment in time, but I see no reason to believe that upon my death I will live again. If we were to take a billion trials, and my existence were to be one of them, you don't provide any reason to believe that in the next billion billion billion, etc., trials, my existence will again be one of them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems a steal of Nietzche (who took it from others), and I don't see why just because time is infinite, it follows everything will come to be again and again and again.

Three, I don't see any reason to believe 100% that there is a limited amount of matter and energy in the universe.

Philosoft · 12-21-2002, 07:16 PM

I promise not to worry about your soul, Trebaxian Vir.

Beoran · 12-22-2002, 07:22 AM

Yeah, this sound like Nietzsche's "Eternal Reccurrence". However, I think Nietzsche didn't really believe believe that Eternal Recurrence happened. It was just a "test" of an Ubermensch. A true Ubermensch is one who is not afraid of eternal recurrence, but would accept it gleefully.

xplosive58 · 12-27-2002, 08:09 AM

that is an interesting theory

I think that if we were reborn, we wouldnt know we existed in this life, so it wouldnt matter, so therefore i will try to stop worrying about death

12-21-2002, 09:14 AM	#1
Totalitarianist Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,234	Do not worry, my soul. For though you die, yet you live again--an infinite amount of times! Time is infinite, for if otherwise it would be nonsense. There is a limited amount of matter and energy in the universe. It is like flipping a dice an infinite amount of times: though it will land upon every other number, yet it will land on each an infinite amount of times; for there will be an infinite amount of attempts. There is truly an infinite amount of attempts for every thing to occur in the universe that has occured or will occur in the future--so long as it is possible, and therefore potential. Again, if you have an infinite amount of chances to do anything, that thing will by chance occur again and again to eternity. So live thy life without pain, for thou wilt feel it, and thy cries will be heared, again and again and again to eternity. [ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: Embodiment of The Absolute Idea ]</p>

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12-21-2002, 03:19 PM	#5
AtlanticCitySlave Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 251	First, I don't see any reason to believe that time is infinite, or that it's nonsense if it isn't. Second, even if we assume that time is infinite (and matter finite), I don't think you provide any reason, other than "chance", that everything will happen again, i.e. we'll live many many times. It may be by "chance" (which I don't believe it to be) that I am a conscious being at this moment in time, but I see no reason to believe that upon my death I will live again. If we were to take a billion trials, and my existence were to be one of them, you don't provide any reason to believe that in the next billion billion billion, etc., trials, my existence will again be one of them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems a steal of Nietzche (who took it from others), and I don't see why just because time is infinite, it follows everything will come to be again and again and again. Three, I don't see any reason to believe 100% that there is a limited amount of matter and energy in the universe.

12-21-2002, 07:16 PM	#6
Philosoft Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Southeast of disorder Posts: 6,829	I promise not to worry about your soul, Trebaxian Vir.

12-22-2002, 07:22 AM	#7
Beoran Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 75	Yeah, this sound like Nietzsche's "Eternal Reccurrence". However, I think Nietzsche didn't really believe believe that Eternal Recurrence happened. It was just a "test" of an Ubermensch. A true Ubermensch is one who is not afraid of eternal recurrence, but would accept it gleefully.

12-27-2002, 08:09 AM	#8
xplosive58 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 7	that is an interesting theory I think that if we were reborn, we wouldnt know we existed in this life, so it wouldnt matter, so therefore i will try to stop worrying about death

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